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Wow - you are quick workers in Nottingham! Many thanks for the replies so far...

Ooops - When I said that Martha later became a Gadsby I meant after being a Brown! I.e. she only married the once to Edward Gadsby in 1832. It's a long story - they separated in around 1840 and she temporarily became Martha Blyth. I spent hours writing a biography in WikiTree if you want to see all the gory details! https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brown-116040

Yes the mysterious Phillips lived in Stone Row - and that Gilborn similarity is interesting... I also noticed that Martha is inconsistent with her age! I'm chomping at the bit to look some more but I have to get the dinner cooked right now...

Again many thanks for all the comments and help.

We have now received the two death certificates and I have come to some conclusions. I'll explain the findings and my thoughts in case the information is useful to anybody in the future.

The death certificate for Samuel Grocott has date of death 6 Dec 1878, Weston. Samuel Grocott. Male. 84 Years. Agricultural Labourer. Informant was Kate Lindop (Daughter - present at the death).

Who is Kate Lindop?

Samuel and Hannah had a daughter Catherine.
Baptism Date: 11 Feb 1827
Baptism Place: Wybunbury, Cheshire, England
Father: Samuel Groucott
Mother: Hannah

I cannot find a marriage for her, but I did find a John and Kate Lindop living in Monks Coppenhall in the 1871 census, with two sons. William born 1863 and John born 1868. The civil registrations for their births have mother's Maiden Surname as 'Groncott' and 'Groucott' respectively. This makes me fairly happy that we have the right Samuel. I am not happy however with his age at death = 84. This would give a date of birth = 1794.

I was trying to match him with one of the following Wybunbury baptisms:

28 Jul 1782 - father = John Grouwcett
17 Sep 1786 - mother = Elizabeth Groucett
20 Apr 1788 - father = Peter Groukett

BumbleBee tells me that the BURIAL record for Samuel gives an age of 92. This fits with the 1786 baptism...

Hannah Grocott's death certificate has date of death 7 Feb 1875 Englesea Brook, Weston. Hannah Grocott. Female. 61 (or 67) years. Wife of Samuel Grocott a farm labourer. Jane Taylor present at the death, Englesea Brook Weston.

We believe that Samuel's wife was Hannah Cooper around born around 1792 (average from 3 census returns). Again the age on the death certificate gives a birth year (of 1808) which does not fit, but BumbleBee's burial record age is 82 which gives 1793. Almost perfect.


Going back to the other two Samuels...

I have found a Samuel who married Lydia Lockett. In the 1851 census his age is 63 which gives us a year of birth 1788. So likely to be son of Peter.

Finally there is a Samuel who married Sarah Waste in 1805. They have their family baptised in Wybunbury between 1808-1824. However Sarah is living without Samuel in the 1841  census' at Blakenhall (but with some of their children). In 1851 she is again in Blakenhall as a widow with two grandchildren (more work needed on them). So it looks like her husband Samuel died after the birth of their youngest child Thomas, born 1824.

I have found two burials for a Samuel Grocott. The first one is noted here but I'm sure is not our man :- Samuel Grocott, Age 32, Burial Date 22 Jul 1828, Burial Place Burslem, Staffordshire. This gives a birth in 1796 which is not a good fit to any of the three Samuel's born in Wybunbury. It would also mean that he was age 9 when he married Sarah Waste in 1805.

The second burial is an almost perfect 'fit' : Samuel Growcott, age 50, Burial date 29 May 1833, Burial Place Wybunbury, Cheshire. This gives us a birth in 1783. The image of the record also tells us that Samuel is from Blakenhall. 

So the final result is


Samuel Growcott baptised in Wybunbury 28 Jul 1782 - father = John Grouwcett - married Sarah Waste 1805
Samuel Growcott baptised in Wybunbury 17 Sep 1786 - mother = Elizabeth Groucett - married Hannah Cooper 1813
Samuel Growcott baptised in Wybunbury 20 Apr 1788 - father = Peter Groukett - Married Lydia Lockett 1811


Phew!


Addendum.

I forgot to mention - I was wondering why there were three Samuel's in the same village of a similar age and asked myself if maybe John, Peter and Elizabeth were siblings. I found the following series of baptisms all with a father = Samuel Grocott (I've now called him Samuel Grocott the elder... I've already got a junior and a senior!).


John Grocott Baptism 8 Mar 1743 Nantwich, Cheshire (I haven't found a burial so the Nantwich and Wybunbury children could be serarate families)
Richard Grocott Baptism 25 Oct 1745 Nantwich, Cheshire
Thomas Grocott Baptism 11 Jun 1749 Nantwich, Cheshire. Burial 29 Sep 1750 Nantwich, Cheshire
John Grocott Baptism 10 Nov 1754 Wybunbury, Cheshire
Peter Grocott Baptism 17 Apr 1757 Wybunbury, Cheshire
Mary Grocott Baptism 3 Jun 1760 Wybunbury, Cheshire
Elizabeth Grocott Baptism 18 Mar 1764 Wybunbury, Cheshire
Jane Grocott Baptism 13 Aug 1769 Wybunbury, Cheshire

I also found a possible baptism for Samuel the elder : May 27 1719  Wybunbury, Cheshire, father = Stephen Groucott.

Wow - what a great set of replies to find in the morning! Many thanks to you all.

hepburn - I've found that database site and have begun having a play - I had to read the instructions as it's a bit different to the usual search engines we have - but what a useful resource.

Gibel - My friend has an FindMyPast subscription - I'll get her to re-check - she told me previously that she wasn't able to see them.

amondg - I saw Ann (also transcribed as Ame) but she has disappeared by 1851 and she was a work in progress for us! There are other children in the 1851 census but any born after 1840 turned out to be illegitimate children of three of Samuel and Hannah's daughters. This Primitive Methodism theme seems to be a good clue. We have Hannah Cooper in our sights but I'd like to get a little more evidence before adding her (although she's in the research notes for 'our' Hannah and other researchers have gone for her).

trish1120 Great - we suspect that Samuel was previously married to Jane (Williams?) as there are three baptisms in Wybunbury to a Samuel & Jane 1808-1813. I believe Jane died in 1813.

BumbleB - thanks for saving me that search! We have the burials from a FamilySearch tree and they had the birth years spot on - but it looks like they weren't obtained from the actual death record as you have seen the couple are age 84 and 67 which gives birth dates of 1794 for Samuel and 1808 for Hannah - we currently have 1786 & 1793. That's a pity - it was looking good!

I guess we should wait for the Death Certificates to arrive.

Once again thanks - I really appreciate all that work by you late nighters & early birds!

Thank You ShaunJ that's wonderful!

My g-g-grandmother lived at No 9 in 1921. That's probably not her car though! On my old map of Leicester it has Alice Street but no street name is printed over the little bit sticking off it.

That side-by-side map is excellent for seeing just how much things have changed.

Again - thanks.

Wow! Thanks everybody - you were busy whilst I was out last night!

There's a baptism in FamilySearch for William Henry John Gilbert 29 Jun 1882 at Sheerness
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NTPK-17P
His father is indeed Henry Twisden Gilbert, mother is Emma  Gilbert. Unfortunately this doesn't fit with 'our' William stating that his father's name was William on his marriage certificate.

Regarding Colin... The great aunt of the lady I am working with has told her family stories about 'Colin Gilbert'. Apparently the brother of William, he served on the Cutty Sark at one time and was the last person to be flogged with the cat-o-nine-tails... There is no evidence of this and someone has even checked the crew lists and not found a Colin Gilbert who served on that ship. I doubt the aunt would have fabricated Colin - but it seems like she may have got her wires crossed somewhere along the line! It was also said that William and Violet's son, Colin, was named after his mysterious uncle.

The Colin that was born in 1893 to Alfred GILBERT and Emma JOLLIFFE is 'my' Colin (although I wasn't really interested in him until now - he was the husband of my grandfather's sister - Hilda Maud Grant). He was difficult to trace because he is sometimes called COLIN GILBERT, or COLIN EDMUND GILBERT, or  EDMUND COLIN GILBERT, or COLIN E GILBERT. He was born in 1893 - Penkridge Staffs and lived in Leicester for the latter part of his life. Fortunately Colin and Hilda's first child, Phylis, was born in Boston, Lincs. This was where Colin's parents were living and was the proof that connected my Colin with Alfred and Emma.

The tree on Ancestry has got them muddled up and needs changing. I think there are other similar messes on FamilySearch!

Re the 1891 census - there's nothing obvious at the moment.

That 1911 Census looked tasty but alas it seems it isn't 'our' William.

I'd heard about the demise of William - I cycle occasionally and it's always a worry...

Well - onwards and upwards. Thanks again to you all for looking at this!