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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Friday 16 August 13 20:29 BST (UK)  »
I drove through the Hohenloe region earlier this summer as part of my holiday in Germany. It was very beautiful and we both wished we had planned more than one one night there. We stayed in Bad Mergentheim, near where my Great grandfather came from and also went to Kirchberg where my great grandmother (a Wittmann) came from. I'm really glad we went,although I didn't find out anything with regards to records etc, it was very worthwhile and I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Hilg :)

Europe / Re: German Pork Butcher - STEIN: Place of birth discovered, what next?
« on: Wednesday 10 April 13 21:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi KGarrad
Yes, I've found it on googlemaps and also on Wikipedia. It looks an interesting place and I'm hoping to pass through it on holiday this summer. I've also spotted on googlemaps, a place to the East of Bad Mergentheim called Rottingen which I think may be the actual village my Great-grandfather came from. It is just over the border in Bavaria and this ties in with the fact that my late father was told by his father that Johann Stein came from Bavaria - that's all we knew about him.

I do still have an elderly uncle and that is one reason why I want to press on and find out as much as I can.

Europe / Re: German Pork Butcher - STEIN: Place of birth discovered, what next?
« on: Wednesday 10 April 13 20:54 BST (UK)  »
Hello Garstonite

I have just checked my notes - the region is spelt Hohenlohe.  From the writing on the parish record the bridegroom (Leonhard Johann Stein) came from Rutingen Oberamt (?) Mergentheim, Baden Wurtemberg. The bride (Margaretha Sophia Katharina Wittmann) came from Kirchberg und Jagst, Oberamt Gerabronn, Wurtemberg.

When I first posted on here, back in 2009, Histres very kindly managed to find out a bit about Katharina Wittmann but I think the lack of a place of origin for Johann Stein has been a problem but hopefully now I will be able to progress.

Do you think my best bet is to contact the archives in Stuttgart?  I do have a German friend who may be able to translate letters/emails for me.

Europe / German Pork Butcher - STEIN: Place of birth discovered, what next?
« on: Wednesday 10 April 13 14:50 BST (UK)  »
In the past I have written here about my ongoing search for my German great-grandparentsí roots. I already knew their full names, exact dates of birth and their fathersí names. ĎHistresí was a great help finding out some more info about my ggrandmother.  Now, having read an article in the latest magazine of the AGFHS,  I have obtained a copy of their entry in the parish register of St Georgeís Lutheran Church which gives me the vital information of their places of birth in the Hohenloe region, just as Histres said.  I have gathered from what Iíve read here in the past that I canít progress without this piece of the jigsaw so Iím really glad to have found it out.  My question is (and Iím sure itís been answered here before but I canít find it): what should I do next?  Should I write to a German archive and if so, how and where, given that I donít speak any German?  Do I need to visit any archives in person? This is not impossible Ė Iím going to Germany on holiday this summer.  By the way, I have been on all the websites mentioned on threads here but, interesting though they are, I have never found anything out relevant to my family.  Any ideas? Thanks, Hilg

Essex / Re: Lindsell/Linsell/Lynsell surname
« on: Thursday 09 December 10 11:03 GMT (UK)  »

I hope I am not too late to join this thread.  I have a Lindsell from Debden in my tree - Emma, daughter of Joshua Linsdell who was born in Debden in 1832.  In the 1841 census she was living at Ricketts in Debden with her parents and three sisters.  Her father was an ag. lab. also born in Debden on 29.2.1808 and the son of a Thomas Linsdell (born c. 1777) and Catherine Subbing (b. 1.4.1785).  From info gleaned from various websites I have got back to a John Linsell b. 1646.  Does anyone have these Linsells/Linsdells in their tree?  Also, there is a village called Linsdell not far from Debden - is this relevant?


PS - Emma married George Gray in Cambridge on 8.2.1853.  They had at least 11 children and Emma died in Barnet at the age of 93.

Europe / Re: Germany: Another German Pork Butcher - STEIN
« on: Friday 04 December 09 22:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Histres

I did quite a bit of reading around on Rootschat before I posted my message yesterday and I have already read your essay which I found very interesting - I just wasn't sure where Hohenlohe was!  I have just tried to call my uncle to see if he has the photo of the family business but without success. I will try again tomorrow.  I have definitely seen a photo but it may not be of John and Catherine's shop - all four sons became butchers, including, of course, my grandfather - so it may be one of their shops.  I also now think that it was only the sons who changed their surnames during WW1 - my uncle has his father's deedpoll.  This afternoon I have found death cert. records on in the name of Stein for John and Catherine and they would have been in their early 70's during that period so may have retired and not needed to change their name.  I will let you know if/when I have found photo of the shop.  Hilg

Europe / Re: Germany: Another German Pork Butcher - STEIN
« on: Friday 04 December 09 21:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Histres - thanks for your message.  I have looked at the websites of both the German Lutheran Church which was interesting, and the AGFHS and considered joining the latter.  I will pursue the avenues you suggest.  Since writing yesterday I have looked back over some notes my Dad left before he died. He thinks his gandfather came from Bavaria and his grandmother from the Stuttgart area.  He also mentions that she came over here to work as a nanny.  He also notes their exact dates of birth which should help. I know the key is to narrow down their place of origin. Re your request for a photo - I think my uncle may have a photo of the shop front with the family standing outside.  I'll find out and get back to you.  Thank you for your interest - Hilg

Europe / Germany: Another German Pork Butcher - STEIN
« on: Thursday 03 December 09 17:56 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to find out more about my German ancestors.† My gg grandfather - Leonhard Johann Stein (b.1844)- came to London from Germany in the 1860's.† He married Margaretha Sophia Katharina Wittmann(b.1847) at the German Lutheran Church in Alie St. Whitechapel on 19.12.1869.† They anglicised their name to Stone during WW1 when they experienced intimidation etc. He was a pork butcher and they lived and worked in Whitechapel.† From their marriage cert I know that his father was a farmer called Johann Georg Stein and her father was a stone mason called Georg Michael Wittmann. Unfortunately I have no idea where they came from in Germany. my late father thought his father mentioned Stuttgart. I have read the book by Sue Gibbons and trawled through various websites but it seems that if I don't know whereabouts they came from I am stuck.† One other thing - a marriage witness was Christian Wittman whom I have assumed was Catherine's brother. I have found him as a baker married to an Englishwoman in the 1881 census. Any suggestions at all would be welcomed.† †I have read quite a few similar posts on this topic and tried to find passenger lists etc to no avail.

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