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Lancashire / Hannah Hall (nee Stott) Rochdale
« on: Sunday 23 October 16 22:02 BST (UK)  »
Hannah Hall was the daughter of Frederick Luke Stott and his wife Ellen Howard Stott and was born ca 1849. I've found out a little about her family - she had an older sister Sarah Jane who may have married William Brierley a brass founder, a brother John Howard Stott who took over his father's business and a younger sister Ellen Howard Stott.

Hannah married Samuel Gifford Hall, some 15 years her junior, in March,1896, two months after the death of her mother. Samuel sailed to New York in Dec the following year, travelling on to San Francisco where, according to the passenger list, he had lived some years earlier. (He was born in England).

Hannah and her sister Ellen are shown in the 1901 census as visitors at the house of Thomas Crabtree in Quarry Street, Rochdale. Both shown as "living on their own means". (Their father left a considerable sum in his will on his death in 1891.)

Ellen died in 1906, but I haven't been able to discover any more about Hannah since the 1901 census.

The reason I'm interested is that Samuel Gifford Hall must have returned to England at some point because he met my great aunt, married her and they went to Australia in 1909 where they settled.
I have never been able to find a record of their marriage, but corresponded with their daughter some years ago. She told me she had a copy of their marriage certificate which showed they were married in Bootle in Jan 1909. She had no family and I have no idea what happened to all her papers. *Interesting footnote below.

I'm trying not to be too suspicious here but.......   Samuel (or Gifford as he sometimes called himself) married an older woman with money, left her less than two years after their marriage and then marries someone else although there appears to be no record of this.

There are several deaths between 1901 and 1909 for women called Hannah Hall of roughly the right age, but obviously I can't buy all the certificates. Unlike her sister she doesn't appear to have left a will and I can't find her on any passenger lists going to join her husband. (Can't find SGH coming back, either, but he must have done as he and his new wife are shown going to Australia in 1909.)

Any idea where to look next? I could get a copy of her sister's will to see if she's mentioned in it, which might show she was still alive at the time it was written, but other than that I'm not sure what the next step is. I would like to prove that everything was above board.

*Amazingly, whilst doing a google search for info about their daughter, simply entering her name and the town, I found letters to and from her for sale on eBay. Apparently the seller, a stamp dealer, bought a box of letters  at a stamp and coin fair in her home town some years after her death.  Amongst them were three letters written by one of my uncles to her when he was teaching in Baghdad in the 1920s! I still can't quite believe that she kept them all those years, but I've bought them and very interesting reading they make, too. I'm hoping to buy some of the other letters if he brings the price down.

Australia / Re: Thomas Crawford Roberts - War Diary WW1
« on: Tuesday 16 February 16 11:03 GMT (UK)  »
 :-[ Yes, McLennan, oops. Sorry, was being hurried to get off the computer.

Do we know for sure that's the same Bruce? Thanks for the link.

Australia / Thomas Crawford Roberts - War Diary WW1
« on: Tuesday 16 February 16 08:42 GMT (UK)  »
Looking for a copy of "Tom Robert's Great War" produced by his grandsons Bruce and Donald McConnell and published by Reveille Books in 2010. An email address for Donald on a genealogical website bounced and the publishers' website states that they have ceased trading.

No connection to me, but he was the relative of someone I've been in touch with about family history and I'd like to obtain a copy for him as a gift.

If anyone has any up-to-date contact details or knows where there are any spare copies please let me know. (I'm in England, but obtaining it from Australia shouldn't be too much of a problem.)



Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Christiana Hartley Maternity Hospital, Southport
« on: Tuesday 26 January 16 17:40 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you! I emailed Southport Library yesterday and they've forwarded it to Crosby. There was a link in the email to Sefton Digital Archive but it doesn't come up in a search there.

Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Christiana Hartley Maternity Hospital, Southport
« on: Sunday 24 January 16 20:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Mike, will give that a try tomorrow.

Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Christiana Hartley Maternity Hospital, Southport
« on: Sunday 24 January 16 16:50 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Maggsie but unfortunately that's the Infirmary and not the separate CH building round the corner in Curzon Road.
Thanks again,

Lancashire Lookup Requests / Christiana Hartley Maternity Hospital, Southport
« on: Sunday 24 January 16 14:27 GMT (UK)  »
My daughter gave me a "Dear Grandma" journal at Christmas to use for writing about my life for my grandchildren. It has blank pages, but each page has a heading and the first one is "the place I was born". I've been scouring the internet for a photo of the old CH Maternity Hospital but all I can find are ones of it boarded up and ready for demolition, very sad. I have several books about Southport but can't find a photo in those either. I don't live locally so can't go to the library to look for one. Is anyone able to upload a photo of how it used to be?

Many thanks,


Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: Williams 1841 & 1861 Rhosymedre, Ruabon
« on: Monday 21 September 15 09:43 BST (UK)  »
Sorry for the late reply, I only receive response advices shortly after I've posted and then I forget to look!

Do you know Robert's actual date of death? He's shown as the informant on his mother's death cert in March 1881, so if your Robert died in 1879/80 it won't be him.


The Common Room / Re: newspapers
« on: Monday 14 September 15 09:44 BST (UK)  »
Well I don't expect they work over the weekend! Someone probably got on to it first thing this morning :D

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