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Argyllshire / Re: The Jacobites:
« on: Friday 11 November 11 12:13 GMT (UK)  »
Iain you really need to verify the information on Neil as you can see from the other thread how easy it is to follow the wrong line.

Where did the info on his birthplace come fom? His death record should provide his parent's names which will hopefully lead to his BAPTISM being recorded in the OPR's

Hi Sancti.   In fact it was Monica, (once again) who managed to put me in contact with a near-professional genealogist..., and this person has not only become a friend, but by pure chance, her husband is also a long-lost McArthur cousin of mine..., her son and myself have Neil as a 3xGr Grandfather I believe.   She’s also an expert in Tiree/Tyree genealogy and the above details of Neil’s parents, grandparents and paternal gr-grandparents were provided by her.
I suppose I could have asked her for the information, but like Monica, I didn’t want bother her..., she has a lot of work on her hands mucking about in graveyards I believe.   ;)

In reality, my problem is the fact that my past relatives are a positively boring lot !   I don’t even have someone in prison !   :D 
As such, what I’m doing is trying to build a tree with some colour..., by finding how they all lived, the clothes they wore and what they ate, etc.    Much of this can be found through surfing or eventually via newspaper clippings.   In other sites, I’ve even tried stimulating people to photograph old newspapers found in the attics..., veritable treasure troves, but nobody seems very interested !

Some examples of publicity at the time:
 




Illumination..., perhaps it would be easier to use next month’s fairy lights !   

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Argyllshire / Re: The Jacobites:
« on: Friday 11 November 11 05:00 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Sancti although it does repeat much of the previous post.     Note, the Campbeltown birth is obviously an error as I already have confirmation of his Christening details in Tiree.   It’s peculiar how some census reports vary depending on their publishers.   In reply to your question about his death..., as Monica mentioned, the source was thanks to her, but as I’ve learned from here and elsewhere, it’s very easy to get deviated simply on a supposition.   

Monica, sorry for involving you again..., you’ve already done so much as it is.   The basic idea of this post was to present the splendid videos from the BBC.   
As I mentioned elsewhere on this site, I do find that it’s not enough just to pinpoint dates and eventually find a tombstone photo..., I really like to get a feeling of what it felt like to live in that particular period.   To be in their shoes so-to-speak !   As for Neil..., well, it’s like finishing a jigsaw puzzle and not having the last piece!    :)

Thanks again..., Iain.

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Argyllshire / Re: The Jacobites:
« on: Thursday 10 November 11 18:29 GMT (UK)  »
Iain, where was he on the 51 census and where did he die?

Thanks Sancti for asking !

“Where did he die,” no idea ! (perhaps Campbeltown 1872 aged 78)   I do not have access to death certificates so Ralston is my only indirect access to deaths.    As for the Campbeltown 51 census..., no problem !

   Neil McArthur age 54 / Christening 9th of Aug 1795 Helipol Tiree. (parents John... death 02/08/1872 and Janet McFarlane)
   Spouse Catherine Mitchell..., birth 17th June 1796 / Marriage 4th Oct 1819 / Death 27/02/1869.
   Address Main Street, Campbeltown..., Flemings Land.
   Children present: Janet 07/12/1824    William 11/10/1832    Neil 18/04/1835   Donald 09/06/1838
   Children absent:   Margaret 21/08/1820   John 26/12/1822   2xGr Grandfather James thanks to Monica and Ev 25/11/1827 and Margaret 09/05/1830. 
   Roll: CSSCT1851_108 : Line: 6 / Schedule number 130 / Page 28  / ED 10 / Parish N° 507
 
Even the tiniest bit of info over those 20 years would be extremely interesting.   
Note..., as his wife Catherine was from Glasgow and their marriage was in Glasgow, I researched the area and finally found his son Neil in Glasgow in 1861, he even has the same trade as his father..., shoemaker. (Parish Glasgow Barony)    This is obviously due to Catherine’s parents who were John Mitchell and Margaret Muir.   

Have a nice evening..., Iain.

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Argyllshire / Re: The Jacobites:
« on: Wednesday 09 November 11 16:34 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Scoosh !   Ev..., quite so !   I've modified the post !   :)

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Argyllshire / The Jacobites:
« on: Wednesday 09 November 11 04:51 GMT (UK)  »
Despite having quite a lot of information concerning my 3xGr Granddad Neil McArthur, (Christened in Helipol Tiree, on the 9th of August 1795 - d1872?... wife Catherine Mitchell from Glasgow and both present in the Campbeltown 41 and 51 census)  ..., not only was I was unable to find his resting place via the Ralston site but also his presence in the 61 and 71 census.   

It only dawned on me recently, that there was the possibility he could have been enlisted into the military.   In the 51 census and despite his age of 54, his trade as a cobbler would have made him a very desirable asset to any naval or military fighting force, and with his proprietor at the time having been a naval commander alongside Nelson, (Nelson is dead by now) this could have encouraged an enlistment.   
As a result and “census incompetence” or not..., I decided to learn more about 18th century military history and in particular, the Island of “Tiree” region, governed by the West-Coast Jacobites for a large part of the century.

Although the Battle of Culloden in 1746 was too early for Neil and his father John in Tyree, Neil’s maternal Grandfather John MacFarlane would have been a prime target to fight for Prince Charlie..., The Young Pretender.    I have John MacFarlane’s wife Flory Rankin and family mentioned in the 1776 Tiree census..., born 1743.  So, if John was about the same age, he’d be in his early thirties for Culloden.   

The first curiosity was when I discovered that the principal Jacobite protagonist Bonny Prince Charlie, (Charles Edward Stewart) was not born in Scotland..., but in Italy of all places.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Edward_Stuart   

As a result and to get a glimpse of the life and times of 18th century battles..., I opted for YouTube videos. (books are out of the question as I generally fall asleep after the second page  ;))
Additional “spice” to this research was the fact that I served in the Scots Guards, founded in 1642 by King Charles 1st in London..., to fight the Dutch Prince William of Orange in Northern Ireland.   As such, this encouraged me to start my research by looking at the “Red Coats” and English Civil Wars, dominated by Cromwell.   

Enter..., the BBC !   Incredibly professional and in my opinion, their documentaries are better than any Hollywood extravaganza. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7BLiuiORHI (be careful..., give yourself some time as this is 60 minutes long)

From here on, with King Charles the First’s head being carted off in some Londonian wicker basket, (not to be confused with Bonnie Charlie, who at a later date ended up back in France/Italy with too many bottles of whiskey) ..., I wanted to discover how the “Red Coats” finally defeated the Jacobites..., and for this, I chose the following videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz7XybD8YMA (1 minute)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=xVHGexXKHL4 (4.33 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5yP0rXXEzw&NR=1 (1 minute)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUc-_e6pdag (6 episodes)

For later battles, land and sea, I chose the following two URLs:

Trafalgar... and Nelson: (1805) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR-1gqC5Xms&feature=related (6 episodes)
Waterloo... and Wellington: (1812)   Note that Waterloo, Belgium (about 30 minutes from here) at the time, was British-Dutch territory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHHzd7XOwJ4 (6 episodes of the best film ever made)
 
If anyone has any military information related to Tiree at the time..., it would be very welcome.   Thanks..., Iain.

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The Common Room / Re: Uprooting graves:
« on: Sunday 30 October 11 16:01 GMT (UK)  »
Malta is in the EU and "grave cleaning" goes on regularly here.  They are running out of space and we don't yet have a crematorium on the island  Our graves are a little different in that there is no soil covering the coffins.  They are sealed with cement and covered with marble.  The graves are like small rooms and I believe, although I haven't seen it myself, that its possible to see the remains from previous burials.  When a grave is "cleaned" more space is made for new burials.  If it is a public grave any remains are removed to an ossuary at the cemetery, if its a private grave I think they remain in the grave but are moved to another area within the grave.  I don't think I grave can be re-opened for two years even if another death occurs in the family.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20101202/letters/death-and-indignity-at-addolorata-cemetery.338834

Luzzu  :(


Luzzu... that's amazing !

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The Common Room / Re: Uprooting graves:
« on: Sunday 30 October 11 13:46 GMT (UK)  »
As far as a Church of England churchyard is concerned

Stan

Thanks Stan !   Seems a bit complicated..., especially for someone who is furious that he can't find the graves of 4xGr and 3xGr Grandfathers.    Always thought that resting places were for eternity.    ???

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The Common Room / Re: Uprooting graves:
« on: Sunday 30 October 11 13:37 GMT (UK)  »
Hmm !   Thanks Nick !

The system does seem to be totally indifferent in respect of our heritage and civil rights.   Meaning that we could have an Einstein or Napoleon buried there..., and simply because they have no surviving relatives, bones and wood will eventually be used for the local Halloween bonfire night.  

It somehow puts a damper on the idea that in 3-hundred years time, our descendants can surf RootsChat before searching for their “physical” roots in the local cemetery.            
As such, that “eternity” aspect of a new tombstone will no longer have the same consideration as all those century-old stones we adore admiring and learning from.  

There’s something wrong here !  Are we slowly moving to the virtual cemetery ?

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The Common Room / Uprooting graves:
« on: Sunday 30 October 11 12:51 GMT (UK)  »
Can some tell me if there's a European law to stop Belgian authorities uprooting graves, throwing all the remains into one communal grave then selling off the land to make a fast buck ?  >:(

The thought gives me the shivers, but this is what’s going to happen at my local church cemetery, and I’m certain that this is rife throughout the country.    It’s not even as if there was a dire need for place as there’s about one-fifth of the cemetery empty.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Baillonville,+Belgique&hl=en&ll=50.28789,5.337463&spn=0.00103,0.00284&hnear=Baillonville,+Namur,+Walloon+Region,+Belgium&t=f&z=19&vpsrc=6&ecpose=50.28742625,5.3374631,274.15,-0.001,28.86,0

For those interested, I can supply more information.

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