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These are the children of Benjamin Lloyd and Sophia Smith
1     Benjamin Lloyd   b: Abt. 1744 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 31 Jan 1834 in Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England   Age at death: 90 est.
..      +Sophia Smith   b: Abt. 1743 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England   m: Bef. 1771   d: 28 Dec 1819 in Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England   Age at death: 76 est.
........   2     William Lloyd   b: 13 Sep 1771 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 28 Dec 1839 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 68
............      +Ann Someone            
........   2     Benjamin Lloyd   b: Bet. Jul 1772 - Dec 1773 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 1819 in Russia   Age at death: 47 est.
............      +Elizabeth Collins      m: 06 May 1802 St Nicholas, Worcester, England      
........   2     [1] Esther Lloyd   b: 01 Sep 1774 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 09 Dec 1844 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 70
............      +Robert Jones      m: 25 Dec 1797 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England   d: Bef. 1832   Age at death: ?
........      *2nd Husband of [1] Esther Lloyd:            
............      +John Acton   b: 1759 Evesham, Worcestershire, England   m: 31 Jul 1832 All Saints, Worcester, England   d: 28 Nov 1833 in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 74 est.
........   2     [2] Joseph Lloyd   b: 18 May 1776 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 21 Feb 1834 in London, England   Age at death: 57
............      +Unknown            
........      *2nd Wife of [2] Joseph Lloyd:            
............      +Sophia Eleanor Lyne   b: 29 Sep 1795 St James, Clerkenwell, London, England   m: 11 Jan 1815 St Martins in the Fields, London, England   d: 12 Sep 1866 in Kirribilli, St Leonards, Sydney, Australia   Age at death: 70
........   2     John Lloyd   b: 05 Apr 1778 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England         
........   2     [3] Daniel Lloyd   b: 09 Jun 1779 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 22 Jul 1839 in Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England   Age at death: 60
............      +Elizabeth Sparry   b: 25 May 1791 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England   m: 1812 Worcester, England   d: 12 Oct 1821 in Walton Cardiff, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 30
........      *2nd Wife of [3] Daniel Lloyd:            
............      +Mary Anne Sparry   b: 21 Aug 1802 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England   m: 23 Sep 1823 All Saints, Worcester, Worcestershire, England   d: 31 May 1873 in Sydney, NSW, Australia   Age at death: 70
........   2     George Lewington Lloyd   b: 23 Oct 1780 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England         
........   2     Edmund Lloyd   b: 08 Jan 1782 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 28 May 1853 in Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England   Age at death: 71
........   2     Charles Lloyd   b: 08 Apr 1783 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 28 Jul 1859 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 76
........   2     Francis Lloyd   b: 22 Feb 1786 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 26 Feb 1873 in Belmont Park, Lee, Kent, England   Age at death: 87
............      +Maria Gammon   b: Abt. 1787 Herefordshire   m: 05 Oct 1815 Bengeworth, Worcestershire, England   d: Bet. 1851 - 1861   Age at death: 64 est.
........   2     Sophia Lloyd   b: 30 Sep 1787 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 1859 in Shipston on Stour, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 72 est.
............      +John Reynolds   b: Abt. 1776 Little Rissington, Gloucestershire, England      d: 1854   Age at death: 78 est.


Tony

I had John Ballard born in 1752 and his brother Philip in 1755 both sons of John B and Margaret Dowding.
I agree that Elizabeth Collins could be the illigitimate dau of John Ballard. It could follow then that Mrs Harris is likewise!
I rather think that JBL was bought up to believe that JB was his grandfather to save everyones face but I reserve final judgement until I can find a Will that supports the 1200 pounds originating from JB's father or JBL's maternal grandfather.
In my view it is likely that JB as mayor of Worcester was a self made man and generated the wealth not his father.

Tony

Funny you should say that as Mrs Harris's son John Byron was actually John Ballard Byron!

Re the religion. If JBL's father was a Presbytarian then it would appear that it was not a Hanley Castle Lloyd related to my lot as they were all baptists!
Tony

I have asked the Archives what the cost of copying the whole file etc and posting to NZ.
So you can consider taking a breath and awaiting their reply. Unless you know a Worcester city person who could go into the Office and ask.
They may say its closed for access to records until the new office opens in July.
Tony

I have found the best way is to visit the records office and go thru the parish registers of all the local parishes in case they moved around especially in Worcester city. In this case it would be Upton(hanley), Worcester, Liverpool.
If they were strong Baptists the records may be in the Baptist Chapel minute books and they are often not in the public arena. In the Upton minute books they entered each year or so the list of parishioners which was abig help. I am sure due to JBL life style he would feature in the minute books if he was not evicted from the Chapel(they called it  "REMOVED"). You could get removed for small misdemeanors particularly drinking.
Not sure if JBL remained a Baptist. The Worc office is cloded until July.
Tony