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Once you get to the 16th and beginning of the 17th century, many records in the form of being able to find births deaths and marriages just do not survive for whatever reason.
Entries in parish registers, which were often just pieces of loose paper, can be patchy, or pages torn or rotted by damp, or eaten by insects or rats!
You have to look elsewhere.

Wills are one of the biggest sources of information.
You have already found a will for Robert. Have you searched for other Challinor wills prior to this? It may mean going through quite a number to build up a picture of the family around there at that time. Perhaps they came from elsewhere to Sheffield, so you may have to spread the net wider.
There do not seem to be any wills itemised for them on the PCC records at TNA (these will be the same as the PCC listings on Ancestry).
Sheffield Archives have this list:
From memory I think York wills are at The Borthwick Institute.

Do you know the occupation of Robert's father Thomas?
I see you say he lived at Owlerton.
There was an Owlerton Manor. The records of which are itemised here on TNA:
If the family lived in this manor, they may well have had to attend the manor courts and may be mentioned in the records.

There is also a site called WAALT run by the University of Houston.
Who have digitised scores of Medieval and later documents.
You may like to have a ferret around.

By the way, have you not seen all the replies to your other post yesterday regarding cutler apprenticeships? Several people have made replies on it.

All the apprenticeships I've found were for 7 years, as BumbleB says.
That's not to say they couldn't be for longer I guess, but 18 years does seem a very long time.
Do records for other apprentice cutlers at this time show apprenticeships were usually for 18 years?

As to whether they could marry during their apprenticeships, you are correct in thinking they were not supposed to. I do have one though that started an apprenticeship in 1812 for seven years - this 'seven years' is actually stipulated on the records. However, he did marry in June 1816, just 4 years into his apprenticeship, and his first child was born in December 1816. Obviously they had to marry because she was already pregnant. I'm sure this sort of thing happened quite often, so there must have been some common sense lee-way applied to these situations.

Many thanks again Zefiro.
Yes, 'wordy' language isn't it? Reading between the lines, it sounds as if they were mighty sick of the squabbling between the countries, and hoped this would bring an end to it. My guess is not!

Devon / Re: Marriage contract 1769 - help to interpret
« on: Yesterday at 09:25 »
The first image you have posted is a very common document filled out when the groom went to get a licence to marry. This meant the couple could get married virtually immediately, instead of waiting for 3 weeks as the Banns were read out in church each week. There was also a certain amount of 'cachet' to getting married by licence. Sometimes a licence was applied for because the bride was already pregnant, but often it was because one of the parties had been previously married.
Quite often this document comes with other documents that may give more information such as ages or occupations. Were there any more pages with this application? I can't find Devon licences on findmypast or Ancestry. (It seems to me there is a bit missing off the top of this image - is there something written above this?)
They did not have to pay the 200 pounds. Only if for some reason the marriage did not go ahead.

There is nothing here to say that Samuel Dunrich is the father of Agnes.
I have seen licence applications where the bondsman for the groom was their brother, or cousin, or simply a friend.

Added: Devon marriage licences are on familysearch - film viewable at home.
No other pages with this one.
The top portion gives Richard as being of Bigbury, a husbandman, and Samuel Dunrich is a cordwainer. No ages or relationship given.

I see this is your first post
Welcome to Rootschat! and well done for managing to actually get an image attached to a post for your very first post!

However, as Zefiro says, this is a very small file, and pixelates when you zoom in to try and read the letters.
It is only some 25kbs in size, and you are allowed up to 500kbs for an image here on Rootschat. Obviously the nearer you can get to 500kbs the easier it would be to read.
Can you have another attempt at getting a bigger file size and post it again.

Hi, could someone please translate this for me please.

You don't need a 'translation' - it's in English.

Originated 13 years ago in Civil life.
Not the result of military service, nor aggravated thereby.
Permanent. Capacity not lessened since enlistment.

Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: The ellusive Ezra Hill
« on: Yesterday at 03:06 »
Hi and welcome to Rootschat.

Can we get a little more definite information?
Let's start with what you already know.

Where was William Hill baptised? What does his baptism entry in the register say?
Where and when did Ezra Hill marry Martha, and what was her surname? Does it give any other information in the marriage entry, like their ages, or places of residence?
Have you found any other children born to them apart from William.
Do you know the occupation of Willliam and Ezra?

All this information will hep to try and find the family hopefully.

Scotland / Re: Occupation in 1841 census
« on: Yesterday at 02:59 »
If it's definitely an 'L' at the front, it may well be a 'linen' hand loom weaver.

Thanks very much Zefiro.
I get the gist of it, but a translation would be very much appreciated.   :)

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