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Staffordshire / Re: Ralph Moreton
« on: Saturday 30 December 23 20:44 GMT (UK)  »
A tree on MyHeritage has his baptism as Mar 15th 1712 at St Margaret's Wolstanton.
Marriage Mar 29 1741 to Hannah Birtles Leek Staffs.
Death Sept 23 1787 Wolstanton

Father Ralph Moreton, mother Mary, no surname. (They don't seem to have found the document at the National Archives giving her surname of Stonehewer)
Dates given for the father Ralph 1695 - 1752.
Baptism Nov 13 1695 Wolstanton.
Death Mar 10 1752.
Marriage July 10 1730

Parents of this Ralph were John, (Johannis), and mother Sarah (Sarae) Wedgwood married April 10 1694 Wolstanton.
John born Aug 12 1649 Wolstanton, to yet another Ralph, (given as a 'vicar'), and mother Elizabeth.
This John buried May 21 1673 Wolstanton.

Whoever has made this tree, has obviously found a lot of births, marriages and deaths in the Wolstanton registers - I've not checked - I'll leave you to do that. There are several siblings for each generation as you would expect - too many to list here, but they may prove to be useful when you're trying to find evidence of relationships - for example, a brother or sister, (if she is not married - married women could not make wills), may leave bequests to siblings, nephews and nieces, sisters in law, etc).
You would need to check all this out, and find other pieces of evidence to back up all this information, such as finding wills, and documents like those at Staffordshire Record Office and National Archives.

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Staffordshire / Re: Ralph Moreton
« on: Saturday 30 December 23 20:20 GMT (UK)  »
Found him. He died in 1787. Have you got a copy of his will? it should be on findmypast. It was proved at Lichfield Nov 9 1787.
His wife was Hannah Birtles, married 1741/2.

There are several documents relating to him held at Staffordshire Record Office.
(Sorry, I can't get the hyperlink to the page to work).
Have you seen these?
One of them is a document that gives a Ralph Moreton as executor of the will of John Turnock, and a quitclaim to Moreton in Feb 1667/7.  This must be a Ralph Moreton from a previous generation.
There is also a copy of Ralph's will dated 1761, which mentions a settlement made in 1741/2 on his marriage to Hannah Birtles, which may give some more information about her, plus a few other later documents.

If you go the the National Archives Discovery site, and enter "Ralph Moreton" AND Wolstanton, these should all come up.

There's also an interesting document from 1737 "William Johnson v Samuel Johnson", which includes a mention of "Ralph Moreton the elder of Wolstanton, gent, and his wife Mary Stonehewer".
Possibly the parents of the Ralph that died in 1787?


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Staffordshire / Re: Ralph Moreton
« on: Saturday 30 December 23 19:52 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to find information on the parentage of Ralph Moreton of Moreton  Hall Wolstanton. He built the Hall on his marriage to Hannah, and I presume possibly as a result of her dowry (hypothetical at this stage, but I am actively looking into her ancestry).
I have found his descendants, but he remains a mystery.

Welcome to Rootschat Moreton.
Some clue as to what sort of dates you're looking at would be very helpful.

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I have recently found my great-grandmother's baptism record and would really love to get her birth certificate, but I have no idea how to go about it. Any advice would be wonderful.

Where did you find the record? That may give a clue as to where it is held.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1654 marriage
« on: Saturday 30 December 23 19:46 GMT (UK)  »
It looks like 'benes'.

The first letter is a classic small letter 'b, although the scribe does use a capital 'B' in other surnames - that's not to say he couldn't have reverted to a small letter in this case though.
See the names Joane Crab in 2 entries above  this one.

I'd say the last letter is an 's'. Compare it to the last letter of the name of Philip Stevens 4 entries below it. Also in the entry for Richard Neseter and Joane Hodges 3 entries above Jonathan Curland.
In this entry for Philip Stevens, the 'v' and 'n' are virtually indistinguishable. Unless he was called 'Stenens', which is highly unlikely.
In which case Tamsen's name could be 'beves'.

By the way, her name is 'Tamsen', not Tamson. You can see the backward loop of the 'e' quite clearly.

Added
Snap arthurk!
Posts crossed so I thought I'd post it anyway for corroboration.

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Thanks everybody for your replies.
I thought it must be 'theeving', but wanted unbiased second opinions.
It would have been even more interesting to see what he had been thieving!
I started in 1695 with these kirk session minutes, and didn't find any other reference to him. Perhaps even further back, or there may be nothing else about it at all.
It made a change from the usual items in kirk session minutes! ;)

Thanks for the pertinent information GR2. I wonder where he went?
Being called 'Johnie' as opposed to 'John', makes him sound quite young, but I have really no idea how old he may have been, or which of the several John Cochrans around Strathaven at this time he may have been.

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From the kirk session minutes of Strathaven 1698.
A couple of words here I'd like help with please.
I have an idea what it is, but would like a second opinion.

The phrase 'to go off the place' is interesting.
Presumably he wanted to leave Strathaven to go and live in another town, and needed confirmation he had been a member of the church in Strathaven? A bit like a character reference.
He was lucky they gave it to him.
Poor Johnie! :)

May 1 (16)98

Johnie Cochran
Compeard Johnie Cochran, seeking a testimoniall, being to go off the place, the
sessione rebuked him for his custome of  … ving when he was young, and ta..
him ingadged not to do so in tyme coming  and Appointd the Clerk to give his testi-
moniall forsaid,

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: French item from Rodiere manuscripts
« on: Monday 11 December 23 19:53 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks very much joger.  :)
I wonder what the equivalent value is today?
One site I found on-line  (www.pierre-marteau.com/currency/converter/fra-eng.html)
gives 64 lives 17 sol 3 deniers as the equivalent of 4 pounds 17 shillings and 4 pence, although you can't seem to put in an exact date.
Would you think that was about right?




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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Bridget Reilly
« on: Friday 08 December 23 19:30 GMT (UK)  »
Also try 'Bewins'?

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