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Carmarthenshire / Re: My Gower ancestors of Penboyr.
« on: Tuesday 29 May 12 23:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ricardian
Thank you for your post. I also have Gower relatives from St Ishmael where the name appears thick on the ground, one of whom is my x 4 great grandfather Edward Gower (1756 to 1824) who married Anne Harry at Llanegwad Church on 31 December 1782 and whose daughter Elizabeth (1784 to 1849) married my x 3 great grandfather David Bowen from whom I am descended on my mother Mair Bowen's side. Wouldn't be surprised if we're related!
Regards,
Brian

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Carmarthenshire / Re: My Gower ancestors of Penboyr.
« on: Sunday 13 May 12 21:18 BST (UK)  »
CRO sometimes take a week and charge £10 (on-line GRO is £9.25) and besides a trip to Aberystwyth or Newcastle Emlyn costs nothing (I have a bus pass and am now retired). My Gower family in Penboyr remained CoE (now Church in Wales) right up to the 20th century although my great grandfather Thomas who settled in Pembrey where I grew up like many became non-conformist, although some still wanted to be buried in the ancestral the church. Thanks again.

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Carmarthenshire / Re: My Gower ancestors of Penboyr.
« on: Sunday 13 May 12 20:55 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: marcie dean on Sunday 13 May 12 18:32 BST (UK)
try titsling ithink in surrey. the goer family have a big house there and a church.
my gower family were originally from corstophine nr.edinburgh and i believe the house was sold abt 1963 an the family moved back down south. it is a place i intend to visit at some point.he became the duke of sutherland.
marcie dean
My Gower ancestors are not those - probably of Norman origin from Kent or Scotland - but are almost certainly originally from Gower in Glamorganshire and where the name is very local including Pembrey, Kidwelly, Llansaint and some in the Carmarthen area (also Penboyr and Llangeler) but few elsewhere in Wales at that time. There are some in Pembrokeshire (David Gower the England cricketer's people) who could still turn out to be my "clan"!

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Carmarthenshire / Re: My Gower ancestors of Penboyr.
« on: Sunday 13 May 12 20:46 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: osprey on Sunday 13 May 12 18:16 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat!

The records available on FindMyPast are transcripts from the Welsh Archive Services. They do not include all parish records available. Do you have a copy of the parish entry for the 1827 marriage? If the couple are shown as 'of this parish' in 1827, it doesn't mean they were born there, although I can see Margaret gives Penboyr as her place of birth on the 1851 census.

The parish page on Genuki doesn't mention gaps in the parish records, only in the BTs and that's par for the course.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Pen-Boyr/index.html

It could be that your family was non-conformist and so there are no parish baptisms to be found. At the time, marriages had to be in a parish church to be legal, the only exceptions being for Quakers & Jews. So, a marriage in a parish church is no guide to which denomination the family worshipped in.

There are some transcribed records on FreeReg

http://www.freereg.org.uk/
Thank you for your response. I am aware that permission was not given by all parishes for FindMyPast but Penboyr was included so it's hard to understand why, at least, the marriage is not recorded there in 1827. Besides I've discovered FindMyPast gaps, compared to known parish records such as Pembrey, elsewhere and put the discrepancy to FindMyPast on their Facebook but they've failed to respond satisfactorily. My Gower ancestors weren't Quakers (or Jews) as they were married in church as were their children whose marriage and burial records I have. The 1827 marriage entry I obtained from Carmarthnshire Marriages, but I have never seen the actual record. I'll have to go to the National Library of Wales in Aberystwyth or LDS in Newcastle Emlyn for a copy. Of course "of this parish" normally refers to residence and not necessarily baptism.  The search goes on...more footwork, but at least its scenic!

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Carmarthenshire / My Gower ancestors of Penboyr.
« on: Sunday 13 May 12 17:32 BST (UK)  »
My great great grandparents John (1801 to 1844) and Margaret Davies(1804 to 1869) Gower lived at Cilgraig, (site is still there) Cwmpenygraig in the parish of Penboyr. Apparently both were born in the parish and were married there 6 November 1827 (information obtained from Carmarthen FHS list of Carmarthenshire marriages). I've recently subscribed again to Findmypast.co especially to access and upload their Welsh parish records; however there is no record for my ancestors birth nor marriage there nor in nearby places such as Llangeler, although I do have their burial records. I understand that the main church St Llawddog was refurbished early 19c which could account for the gaps. Is anyone familiar with other churches in Penboyr where baptism, marriage and burial could have taken place? 

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