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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: A location I can't decipher
« on: Thursday 25 November 21 09:07 GMT (UK)  »
Hello All!

Thank you for the Clyro deciphering!!!! It is exactly where it should be, near Talgarth and Glasbury,
I would never have guessed...

All the best, and please take care!

Llanfi  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / A location I can't decipher
« on: Wednesday 24 November 21 10:09 GMT (UK)  »
Hello All,

Here is a record of the burials of Sophia Jane, a daughter of George Games and probably his wife  Elizabeth Games, in the Talgarth Breconshire parish records.
The family seems to be distinguished from other Games families in the area by a notation in parentheses.
It is almost certainly a location, part of Talgarth or maybe a manor.
I would be very grateful for any help in identifying the words circled in the attached...

Thanks!

Llanfi  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Script in a 1660 Record
« on: Sunday 14 November 21 06:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
After some research I am satisfied that "Slough" is Slwch (near Brecon) That's because other records identified it as such. The other place is Cui near Pencelli. not Cray.

So I am thanking all of you who viewed by topic, and wish you well!

Thanks

Llanfi  :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Script in a 1660 Record
« on: Sunday 14 November 21 04:14 GMT (UK)  »
Hi!

I am perusing a 1660 will of a Thomas Games of Brecon. This was recorded in the Prerogerative Court of Canterbury.

There are a couple of words I don't understand. They are of places in Breconshire. However, the "Slough" word doesn't ring a bell. It might be "Slwch" as it is close to Brecon.
The other place may be "Crai", but again I am not sure...

Please see the attachment

All assistance will be gratefully received!!

Llanfi  :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Probate of a 1645 Will
« on: Friday 29 October 21 05:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi!

I had a surprise when I checked the dates on that 1645 Will!

It was actually made on the 18th of May 1635. Yes, that's right.. 1635!
The attached inventory was made in March 1645 and the Binder in May 1645. The Bond by Thomas Games and Edward Prosser (Reverend Father Roger) was made in May 1645 also. Note that the inventory was made by Walter Prosser and Thomas Prosser.

It seems that the entire context of the document is affected by these discrepancies

I have introduced an added complexity, and humbly submit my apologies to you all!

Cheers,

Llanfi  :) :) ??? ???

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Probate of a 1645 Will
« on: Wednesday 27 October 21 03:42 BST (UK)  »
Thanks horselydown86,Bookbox, and others who have so generously and expertly helped me once again!

I have enough information to go on with and have sent the following request to the Library of Wales:

"The BR 1645/56 - William Phillip Gwatkin copy arrived safely and is excellently reproduced. Thank you very much!
The will has no probate annotation.. This particular will isn’t listed in the usual on-line “Library of Wales Wills”, maybe because it wasn’t probated?
Do you have any further information or documents associated with the Will?
The anticipated marriage between Thomas Games and Anne Prosser is the main focus of the Will. It describes a major marriage settlement but I can’t find any record of the event actually taking place..
The Games family of Breconshire is very well known. Does the library have any further information regarding this Thomas Games, born around 1625, who is identified in the Will?"

end of message...

I will let you all know if the Library has anything else!

Llanfi  :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Probate of a 1645 Will
« on: Tuesday 26 October 21 20:44 BST (UK)  »
Hello All!

The terms of the Will itself required a Bond of $100, but by Thomas Games and Walter Prosser. Was the Bond by Thomas Games and Edward Prosser to the Reverend Father Roger its equivalent?

 It's very interesting that the Bishop is Roger Mainwaring. Wiki states that he was deprived of his see in 1646. However, the Clergy of the Church of England database shows that Roger Mainwaring had tenure at St David's from 1636 to 1653 but the diocese was "Post Episcopal" from 1646 to 1660". If the Rev. Father Roger was the legitimate bishop of Brecon at the time the Bond was made (March 1645), maybe the scribbled note is also equivalent to a probate..(?)

Cheers,

Llanfi   :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Probate of a 1645 Will
« on: Tuesday 26 October 21 09:34 BST (UK)  »
Hello horselydown86

There seems to have been some doubt that Thomas Games was a legitimate member of the historic Games family. There is no explanation in the Will of his origin other that he was "foster son and kinsman" of William Phillip Gwatkin. William refers to his wife as Gwenllian Richard, and consitently refers to "Thomas Games and Anne" The witnesses are all Prossers, and there are no signature by Gwenllian or anyone from the Games family.

The note declaring a completed Bond implies that the anticipated marriage took place and the property transferred according to William's instructions. But 100 pounds was not a lot to risk in order to gain title. Maybe it was an made by Edward Prosser and Thomas Games to assist the Will's probate.

However, there is no probate confirmation or Bond attached to the Will, and that is very unusual...
And there is no further record of Thomas Games or Anne Prosser that I can find.

Cheers,

Llanfi  :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Probate of a 1645 Will
« on: Tuesday 26 October 21 05:03 BST (UK)  »
Hello  :) :) :)all!
Just so I know,

Is the outlined signature Walter Edward Prosser?

Thanks

Llanfi

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