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Devon Lookup Requests / Re:William Cogill 1806-1882
« on: Monday 30 May 22 12:13 BST (UK)  »
Just resurrecting this thread and wondering if anyone can help find William's first wife, Sarah Billing.

The allotment of pay he signed in 1830 was stopped in June 1832, when William was aboard HMS Undaunted and based in South Africa.  I have been told by an experienced Royal Navy researcher that stopping an allotment would only be made if the wife died (ie the sailor could not just decide he didn't want to pay it any more).  However, I have never been able to find any trace of Sarah after 1930.  Did she die, or did he find she had she deserted him for another man?

The last record of her was at the time of the pay allotment in Nov 1830, when she was living at 21 Sandwich Street, Portsea.  (I believe that this address was later incororated in the naval base around 1847).

I have searched deaths, graves and marriages under the name Sarah Cogill (and variants) and Sarah Billing (and variants) without success.  If anyone has any other ideas, or possible records, I would love to know.  (Incidentally, there is a Sarah Finney Billing that keeps cropping up, but I am satisfied this is not the one I am looking for).
Jim

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Caithness / Re: Henry Cogill About 1758 -1847
« on: Monday 16 May 22 14:41 BST (UK)  »
ZEMA WARBAIN VERA COGILL (LATER HOWARTH)

I am going off at a tangent, but it may be of interest. While searching Cogills recently on the internet, I came across the person mentioned above.  She was a celebrated artist in Canada.  When I checked, she was born in S Africa, had gone to England to study art, married an englishman called peter Howarth, and emigrated to Canada in 1924.

She was born in eastern cape in 1900, the daughter of William Henry Cogill and Zema Augusta Meyer.  William Henry was the son of William Henry, eldest son of William Cogill and Elizabeth Fulcher, and Annette Gillman.  William Henry and Annette emigrated from SA to England about 1882 and lived at Surbiton.

All the Williams and Henrys get a bit confusing sometimes!

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Caithness / Re: Henry Cogill About 1758 -1847
« on: Monday 16 May 22 14:30 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the info on Ann Cogill, Trish.

I do have Phoebe's second marriage to Saml Bishop, who was a silversmith like Henry William.

One thing I am curious about is that, on the baptism of Elizabeth, one of William Cogill's children by his first marriage in S Africa, on 5th August 1839, one of the witnesses was "Cogill Ann".  As there were no Ann Cogills in SA, as far as I know, could this have been William's mother or his sister Ann - in which case one of them must have visited S Africa.

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Caithness / Re: Henry Cogill About 1758 -1847
« on: Monday 16 May 22 09:09 BST (UK)  »
Just to elaborate on my reply, as I can't contact you by PM:
HenryCogill was a gunner in the Royal Navy.  He married Ann Nicholson at Woolwich in 1801.  They had 4 children that I know about:  Henry j
James 1804, William 1806, Ann (date unknown), Elizabeth 1814.

William's history can be traced.  He was admitted to the Royal Naval School at Greenwich in 1816.  Papers give names of parents.  They said that the father could no longer afford to maintain the child.  The petition for entry to the school stated that the Boy could remain at the school "as long as the Commissioners think fit and when of proper age he should be disposed of at their discretion as Apprentice to the Sea in the Merchant Service or placed as a sailor in his Majesty's Navy." 
William was a Purser's Steward on HMS Undaunted (a job for an educated man).  He married sarah Billing at Stoke Damerel in 1830, just before the ship left for the 'Colonies'.

The ship as at the Cape from 1831 to 1833. He made an allotment (deduction from pay) to Sarah until 1832, then stopped. I don't know what happened to Sarah. He left the ship in June 1833 and married Elizabeth Fulcher in August 1833. I imagine that becoming an hotel owner would be a natural profession for a man who had been a Purser's Steward on ship.

Regarding his father, Henry, the 1841 census says born in Scotland.  As the vast majority of Cogills seem to come from Caithness area, I think the informant at William's death got mixed between William and his father.

I hope this helps confirm William's birth and ancestry.
Jim

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Caithness / Re: Henry Cogill About 1758 -1847
« on: Sunday 15 May 22 21:08 BST (UK)  »
Hello
Regarding your message above, I was not notified and so I have just found it.

The death notice is wrong.  I believe the informant mixed up William with his father, Henry, who was born in Caithness. I have a lot of corroorating evidence that William was born at Woolwich.   I have quite a lot of information about the Cogills in South Africa and would be pleased to share with you.

Please send me a PM.

Regards
jim

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: William Coutts: Dundee, 1800s
« on: Friday 09 November 18 10:19 GMT (UK)  »
I was responding to Jim Heubner's post regarding relationship with David Coutts/Alexander Coutts/Isobel Leith.  They are part of my family line and as far as I know not related to the Canadian Coutts.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: William Coutts: Dundee, 1800s
« on: Thursday 08 November 18 18:53 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry for the delay in replying, Jim, I have only just seen this post.
I don't think Charlotte is related to David Coutts.  The name Charlotte doesn't appear in any other family records.   I had a look on Scotland's People and the only Charlotte Coutts I can find around the 1830s are Charlotte baptised in New Deer (Aberdeen) in 1836, daughter of John Coutts and Margaret Innes, and Charlotte married in New Deer in 1839 to Alex Milne.

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Midlothian / Re: Blair or Lyall, Inveresk 1800-1830
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 11:42 BST (UK)  »
More information on this.
George Blair had a son George baptised in 1808, so it is quite possible that the George, a tailor, who married Marion Goodall and died in 1834 is the son, rather than the father.  I know the death in 1834 is the one who married Marion Goodall, as she remarried Alexander Gillespie and two of her Blair children lived with her in 1841.

I note that most baptisms of George Blair's children between 1800 and 1816 have witnesses Thomas Blair and Peter Lyall.The only Thomas Blair I can find in Inveresk is Thomas who married Marion Fairly in 1896.  This suggests he may be a brother of George.  If so, I believe his father may be Charles Blair, who married Katherine Simpson in 1869.  However, there is no apparent baptism of George in Charles's family and, apart from Thomas, other childrens' names (Robert and Christian) are not repeated in George's family.  All this assumes that the Blairs all lived in Inveresk, as it becomes very complex if I look wider!
Jim

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Midlothian / Re: Blair or Lyall, Inveresk 1800-1830
« on: Friday 21 September 18 16:24 BST (UK)  »
Unfortunately not.  Just says George Blair, Tailor.  The burial in 1834 of George Blair, tailor, does not give age but I was speculating that if he died in 1834 he might be getting on in age and old enough to have married twice.  Does anyone have any access to monumental inscriptions for Inveresk, which might mention other family members?
Jim

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