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Thanks again for the replies. Plenty to be exploring with the image sets then, I see.

jim1,

Very kind and helpful; an eye-opener, indeed. I'm not yet confident about drawing any conclusions and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Brougham Hall might respond with some good news. I do agree that identifying the property would go a long way to unlocking this puzzle ...

In any case, will re-post if and when I get a response from Brougham or I find anything else significant.

Richard

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Hi all,

Thanks for all the suggestions. I confess that I didn't know about Geograph before so I'll be having a good poke around there to see what I can find. The idea of there actually be a list of shooting parties is quite enticing, though it feels quite a distant prospect right now given all the other uncertainties. Nothing ventured though ...

And, yes, while I'm very happy with the Castle Menzies attribution, it really is the 'Brougham Hall' location that has me in knots. I understand that at some point (1930s?), the Hall was significantly reduced in size, so the doorway may possibly no longer exist. I have written to the Hall but am not expecting an immediate response. I took at a look at Lowther Castle and I agree that the general architecture seems to fit: from the online images available though, I don't yet find a match. Maybe if Brougham proves a miss, I should write to Lowther next.

I'm also led to believe that the dates for the photographer Robert Irvine are 1817-1888 so, in one  sense, that would seem to fix the absolute outer time margins.

Jim_1, I'm not even a novice with photodating: would you be so kind as to help me understand what elements pin these photos to the 1860s and 1870s. What should I be focussing on here?

Thanks again,

Richard





 

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Dear All,

I'd appreciate any help with dating the attached photos or identifying the people in them, or indeed confirming the location in one instance. I understand that the two formal photos of people standing in front of 'grand frontages' concern the same family, albeit some years apart.

In the photograph ending WA0005, the location seems to be Menzies Castle in Aberfeldy, which hosted game shoots; I understand the photographer to be Robert Irvine and Son of Aberfeldy. I take the photograph of the shooting party at rest (ending WA0002) to be related to this photograph.

In the photograph ending WA0001, the location is speculative, tentatively being identified as Brougham Hall near Penrith. The photographer is J. Lomax of 45 Bridge Street, Penrith.


Though I didn't know it at the time, these photos may be connected to my related Rootschat query at: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=880554.new;topicseen#new
(These pictures may somehow connect to the family of the "adopted" Jane Weatherby in that query).

Thanks again,

Richard




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England / Re: Adoption - Wards of Chancery - 1840s
« on: Saturday 24 February 24 09:20 GMT (UK)  »
Dear All,

A huge thanks for the various replies, and apologies for the belated response. I'll try to wrap everything up here.

Jane was born on 24 Jan 1846 and baptised on 20 Feb 1846, so more or less a month later, Some of her 'siblings' were baptised days after their birth, others were baptised three or four weeks afterwards. So I'm not seeing anything conclusive here. Also, the birth spacing of William and Amelia's children throws up no question marks around Jane's legitimacy.

Jane married Thomas Cope on 18 Feb 1871, and as AnthonyMMM indicates, the father of the bride is given as William Weatherby, so again no red flags.

I have, I believe, seen all of the available wills for the relevant Weatherby and Cope families, and likewise, I've found nothing yet to suggest that she was adopted. I haven't seen the Reverend Charles Stocker's will, but I'm reluctant to think he is involved in any way other than as a ward. Coincidentally, one of his daughter's eloped with one of Thomas Cope's brothers, and ended up in South Africa. It is said that the Reverend cut her off in his will, leaving her one guinea only. Perhaps rather fancifully I'm assuming his moral rectitude (including as a CoE rector) precludes him from being involved ...

DNA-wise, on Ancestry, if the Thru-Lines matches are to be believed, I would seem to be connected separately to both the Weatherby and the Caswell families at the level of the next generation back from Jane herself. Now, my understanding is that this might in theory be 'conclusive' proof, assuming that other people's trees in Ancestry are reliable (though this assumption is I guess not inconsequential)? Conversely, I haven't seen any DNA matches pointing to Revd Stocker.

And so, lastly then for now, thanks also for the pointers towards the records at Kew and the books by Susan Moore. I'll need some time to take a deeper dive with them.

richard



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England / Adoption - Wards of Chancery - 1840s
« on: Wednesday 21 February 24 10:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

Any knowledge or advice in relation to the following would be warmly received.

Family legend has it that one of my great, great grandmothers, called Jane Weatherby, was adopted.

She was born at Market Drayton, Shropshire in 1846. It's said that she was born to unknown parents there, at an inn where a man named William Weatherby worked as an ostler. He then apparently adopted her into his family.

Nothing in her birth certificate or parish register entry points to an adoption: the father is named as William Weatherby and the mother as Amelia Caswell, who were an estalished couple with children already - see for instance 1851 census HO107/1996/189/9 at Church Lane, Market Drayton.
 
It is said that Jane was made a ward in chancery, and that money for her keep was paid through a
firm of London Solicitors.

After going to school in Derby, she later became a ward of Dr Stocker at Draycott in the Moors, where he was rector.

So, for instance, is there any chance of tracking down court of chancery records from the 1840s and how would I go about that? Maybe, I'm also missing other possible lines of inquiry?

Thanks a million,

Richard

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Armed Forces / Re: Royal Engineers - Which Unit?
« on: Monday 02 January 23 15:20 GMT (UK)  »
Yes. And as a carpenter/joiner, I'm guessing that with such a universal trade he could have been in any one of the different types of RE units ...


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Armed Forces / Royal Engineers - Which Unit?
« on: Monday 02 January 23 09:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,

I'm hoping for some help please ascertaining what Unit my great grandfather served in during WW1.

His name was Henry Augustus Allen, born in 1886 in Croydon.

I have an entry for him in the Surrey Recruitment Registers, when he volunteered in Jan 1915. His place of attestation is given as Norwood. The regiment is given simply as the Royal Engineers.
His service number was: 63957.
I cannot find his service record, though do have his medal rolls card and his Silver Star, Victory Medal, and British War Medal rolls.

I was told that he was at Passchendaele if maybe that can assist in narrowing the options.

Thanks for any advice or help.

Richard








Richard

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Surrey / Re: Walworth Wesleyan Chapel - Baptisms
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 17:34 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Bookbox for this, that's great. Was Locksfields then one and the same chapel as the Walworth Wesleyan or was it the successor? Do you happen to know of any reading more generally on the chapel that you can refer to me?

I'll definitely follow up with Southwark archives next ... and update with any news.

tks

richard

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Surrey / Re: Walworth Wesleyan Chapel - Baptisms
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 06:59 BST (UK)  »
Is this the family in 1841 in Camberwell?

Mary Allen 29
Thomas 9
Charles 6
Emily 4
Isabella 2
Frances 3 months

Mary was formerly Barnes

Hi Carole and Maddy,

Thanks for picking this up. Yes this is the correct family and the correct birth/baptism for Emily.

Mary is occasionally given as Barnes but is more often named as Baron(s). She was originally from Sidmouth.

RG4/4328 ends in 1837 and so what I'm really hoping is that I can find their baptisms (still in Walworth Wesleyan Chapel?) of the other children somewhere. But then I'm not sure if the registers survived where they might be found. If that makes sense.

In 1851, the family is at 4, St James Place, Saint Mary Newington, Lambeth (HO107/1567/360 - p29)

Thanks again


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