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Lancashire / Re: Help with CAINE family Liverpool
« on: Saturday 08 January 22 22:53 GMT (UK)  »
As the surname & mmn are both Caine I would recommend buying a copy of the 1915 birth cert to see whether Albertís name appears as father and how Jane Elizabeth is shown.  She should be shown as Cain nee Cain if they were married

Graham could possibly have been his surname

Also - whether Ampthill Rd is shown as the birth address

Edna's birth certificate shows 1 Ampthill Road Toxteth Park as both the birth address and residence of mother Jane Elizabeth Cain. There is no name or surname nor occupation of father. She was born 20th February 1915.

Since this post I have discovered quite a lot about Albert Graham and Edna Cain whose adoptive surname is Williams. Edna was adopted/fostered sometime between 1915 and 1921 by Hugh and Lydia Williams from Failsworth Lancs. Both Albert Graham and Janie Cain and their families hail from the Isle of Man. I have researched Elizabeth Jane 'Janie' Cain's family  quite extensively however I have not been able to find anything about her after Edna was born in 1915 which is really frustrating.  :(

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Lancashire / Re: WILLIAMS Edna Salford /Manchester -Birth/Death/Parents/Census
« on: Saturday 08 January 22 20:47 GMT (UK)  »
It looks like Hugh and Lydia were living in Denbigh, Wales in 1911.  Hugh was living and working in the county asylum and Lydia was on her own at home.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7V6-PBN

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VX-SDH

It is possible that Edna herself was fostered/adopted.

Debra  :)

Finally confirmation that Edna Williams was indeed adopted/fostered!

In 1921 census 6 year old Edna is living at 9 Piercy Street Failsworth with Hugh Thomas Williams and wife Lydia.

I can't stop smiling.

A big thank you to everyone who gave their time to help with this.

Margaret  :D

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World War One / Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« on: Friday 07 January 22 05:33 GMT (UK)  »

A direct descendant of Thomas, who lives in the United States (who sent the photo) has on her Ancestry family tree only one military source for Thomas - the medal card index for Thomas Barnes, with no explanation. and I am waiting for a reply email from her to confirm my suspicion.

Margaret - has the woman above replied to you yet? It'll be interesting to hear why she feels this Thomas Barnes is also the other chap you mentioned.

Hello everyone,

Hillhurst, I have had a reply today confirming that Thomas Watmough enlisted in WWI under the assumed name of Thomas Barnes, unfortunately she doesn't know why. Nor does she know when or where he received his wounds.  ::)

................The search continues..........Margaret :D

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World War One / Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« on: Friday 31 December 21 22:34 GMT (UK)  »
On several of the surrounding pages, there are a few soldiers who didn't serve overseas. The code assigned to them is "a11" -- which probably refers to this:

(ii) after service at Home, and have been medically examined and finally discharged from liability to further military service under sub-section (5) of Section 1 of the Military Service (Review of Exceptions) Act 1917, as permanently and totally disabled, otherwise than from misconduct.

Thanks once again, this makes sense to me - I'm learning slowly.  8)

Margaret  :)

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World War One / Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« on: Friday 31 December 21 18:43 GMT (UK)  »
Happy New Year Everyone!

I'm at a loss to understand what the heading of the column on the Star Medal Roll with 'al.' written below it means - also what does al. mean?

Margaret

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World War One / Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« on: Friday 31 December 21 18:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Hillhurst,

Happy New Year!

I'm still waiting for her to reply and trying to remain patient!
I'll let you know as soon as she does with all the details.

Margaret

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World War One / Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« on: Friday 31 December 21 18:34 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the link Ady.

Happy New Year!
Margaret

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World War One / Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« on: Friday 31 December 21 05:23 GMT (UK)  »
Regarding the above Silver War Badge Record

Cause of Discharge (Wounds or sickness and para. K.R.)  Para 392 xvi King's Regulation al.
Served Overseas.

Can anyone tell me what al. means?

Margaret

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World War One / Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« on: Thursday 30 December 21 18:16 GMT (UK)  »
He Enlisted as Pte 4590 29 August 1914  and was Medically Discharged on 7 December 1917 as Cpl 242865 and issued with his Silver Badge - Number 279597
That Card can be seen on Ancestry

Thanks again ALAMO2008

UK, Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920
242865  Cpl Barnes T  Lancs Fusls (T.F.) Badge No: 279597  Enlisted 20 Aug 1914 
Discharged 7 Dec 1917  Age 24.
Cause of Discharge (Wounds or sickness and para. K.R.)  Para 392 xvi King's Regulation al.
Served Overseas.

Margaret :)

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