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Ayrshire / Re: Accident at Bell Rock Quarry
« on: Sunday 08 May 22 18:26 BST (UK)  »

The older six-inch map actually names it
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.48841&lon=-4.62496&layers=5&b=5

2 boys drowned in that quarry in late 20th century.
Do you know the date of that map?

It was surveyed in 1857 and published in 1860. At that time it seems to be a working quarry and dry. The 1855-57 Ordnance Survey name book says of the quarry at that time:

A tolerable large freestone quarry Situated near the sea beach about miles West of New Prestwick and about 1 North of the town of Ayr Stone not of a very good quality. There is pumping engine for keeping the quarry clear of water

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Ayrshire / Re: Accident at Bell Rock Quarry
« on: Sunday 08 May 22 11:52 BST (UK)  »
Unfortunately I could not find an Ayr paper which covered it (although one obviously did). Most newspapers say Annpit quarry, but they are obviously all copying an account in one particular paper. It appears in newspapers as far as the south of England.

From the death certificates, presumably it was one of the two quarries nearer the sea:

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=55.48677&lon=-4.62670&layers=168&b=5

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Ayrshire / Re: Accident at Bell Rock Quarry
« on: Saturday 07 May 22 18:59 BST (UK)  »
It was reported in at least 85 newspapers. Some say that the father was "said to belong to Northumberland". One says they worked at Clydebank and were on a visit home. Their address is sometimes given as New Prestwick. The ages vary. Most say Annpit Quarry, a couple say Bell Rock Quarry.

The quarry in the link below is in the area of Annpit Road today and is probably the place.

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18&lat=55.48159&lon=-4.61820&layers=168&b=5

However, if you go to the north and west of this quarry, you come to two others near the sea. You will notice the Bell Rock is marked nearby them.

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Ayrshire / Re: Accident at Bell Rock Quarry
« on: Saturday 07 May 22 18:31 BST (UK)  »
Dundee Evening Telegraph 20-8-1894:

FATHER AND SON DROWNED
               AT AYR
On Saturday afternoon a sad drowning acci-
dent occurred at Annpit Quarry, near Ayr, a
father and son, William Henry Alcroft, aged 38,
riveter, and John William Alcroft, rivet-heater,
losing heir lives. The two had been out walking
and the son having seen a toy boat floating in the
water at the bottom of the quarry, put off his
clothing and swam to it. He became entangled
amongst the weeds, and his father went to his
rescue, but also got entangled, and both were
drowned. Two boys who saw the occurrence
gave the alarm, but some hours elapsed before the
bodies, which were near each other, were re-
covered from a depth of about 14 feet of water.
Alcroft leaves a widow and six children, all
younger than the lad who was drowned.

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seaventh of ffebruary 1655 (so 1656 by the current calendar)

To the right honble the Lords Comissioners ffor the Greate Seale of England

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Kilgour / Milne / Dundas - Aberdeen
« on: Tuesday 03 May 22 13:04 BST (UK)  »
From a quick look at the censuses and the ScotlandsPeople indexes:

Robert Kilgour's marriage to Christian Forbes is recorded in Aberdeen on 25-4-1801.

Looking at Kilgour deaths with mother's maiden name Forbes we get:

Jane Kilgour d Nigg, Kincardineshire 1872, aged 70
Alexander Kilgour (the surgeon) d Nigg, Kincardineshire 1874, aged 70
Harriet Anne Kilgour, d Old Machar, Aberdeen, 1881, aged 61
There was also a sister, Christian (see 1861 below)

Jane and Harriet did not marry. In 1851 Jane is described as a gentlewoman supported by her brother. Harriet, who is living with her is described as a gentlewoman. Also present is a nephew, Patrick Kilgour, aged 17, a student.

In 1861, Jane and Harriet, both described as annuitants, are living with a nephew, George Carr, who is a doctor. He was born in 1835 to Robert Carr and Christian Kilgour.

In 1871, Jane Kilgour is living at Green Arbour Cottage, Nigg, and is described as an annuitant. With her is a niece transcribed as Margaret "Corn", but it should probably be "Carr".

From the Dundee Courier 21-2-1874:

At Loirston House, Aberdeen, on the
19th inst., Alexander Kilgour, M.D.

Loirston is in the parish of Nigg, just south of Aberdeen.

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Does orator = plaintiff make sense in the various contexts?

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Copperplate handwriting
« on: Monday 02 May 22 23:24 BST (UK)  »
In 1911, FindMyPast transcribes it as Sydney Harrold Luffman.

Looking at the original document, Harrold does have a double r. The writer's S and L are similar, but not exactly the same. They begin L with a stroke from the top and S with one from the bottom. Capital L appears later on in "Labourer". The writer has written Luff[]ma, missing out the final n. The bit in [] is not an o, but seems to just be an extra part of the m. Quite possibly the writer has written Luffnma, putting the last three letters in the wrong order.

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