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Monmouthshire / Re: Alfred Pope
« on: Friday 26 November 21 19:03 GMT (UK)  »
I have a "gut" feeling this is John Pope but perhaps he is a bit old. Could he have been married before. 
None of the family are found in 1851 .
On Ancestry.
England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858
John Pope. 1854  He is of Landport, Portsea. Has a wife Elizabeth and unamed heirs


The original burial register entry has no occupation on it.
John Pope Age 70  abode Landport.
 Burial Date 22 Nov 1854
Death or Burial Place St Marys Portsea, Hampshire, England
Birth Year (Estimated)1784

It's a shame the children's baptisms don't have a mothers maiden name.
It's getting to be guesswork now.

29
Monmouthshire / Re: Alfred Pope
« on: Friday 26 November 21 12:10 GMT (UK)  »
1880 US census All born England
Franklin St Chicgao
Charles Hill    43    Self (Head) ladies suit cutter
Emma Hill    42    Wife
Emma Hill    18    Daughter clerk.
Rose Hill    17    Daughter
Charles Hill    13    Son
Arthur Hill    11    Son

1900 US census
25th Street Los Angeles
Arthur S Hill    31    Head surgical instrument ??
Edna W Hill    23    Wife b Illinois
Stanley R Hill    1    Son b California
Emma E Hill    64    Mother b Bermuda

1910 US census
Hollenbeck Home / House Boyle Ave,  Los Angeles Assembly District 69, Los Angeles, California, USA
Emma Hill Age   74 Birthplace:    Bermuda
Immigration Year: 1871 Inmate   Widowed

No one here under 62 so probably an old people`s home.
 Possibly her death
Emma E Hill Birth Year:    abt 1836 Death Date:    18 Dec 1915
Age at Death:    79 Death Place:    Los Angeles, California, USA

30
Monmouthshire / Re: Alfred Pope
« on: Friday 26 November 21 11:31 GMT (UK)  »
1861 Middlesex
Rd Down    33 carpenter b Devon
Mary Down    30 b Cornwall
Mary H Pomsey  relative 12 b Cornwall
Alfd Pope visitor 21 assistant draper b Bermuda St George
Wm Brice lodger 25 “    ” b London

As Alfred is a visitor this suggests he knew the family.

1861 Portsea Hampshire
Charles Hill 24 linen draper b Widley
Emma Hill (Pope) 25 b Bermuda
Infant Hill 0  (1 Day female) b Portsea
Emma Pope wife`s mother widow 65 b Portsea

31
Northumberland / Re: Edith Annie Todd - Whitley Bay
« on: Thursday 25 November 21 15:35 GMT (UK)  »
Wonderful,  well done.   :)

32
Monmouthshire / Re: Alfred Pope
« on: Thursday 25 November 21 14:23 GMT (UK)  »
I had some time to spare and did a bit of browsing.
This might be worth checking out.
FindMyPast, marriage of Charles Hill to Emma (Elizabeth)  Pope , 1859 St Jude`s Southsea Portsmouth.

In 1861 living in Portsea  Charles 24 and Emma 24 b Bermuda  have her mother Emma Pope 65 with them, she was born c 1796 Portsea .  Charles is a linen draper !
In 1871 the family are in  St Paul London, Emma E born Bermuda.  Mother isn`t with them .
By 1880 they are in Chicago, Emma Hill born England .
1900  Los Angeles . Emma E Hill  born Bermuda
1910 Los Angeles Emma Hill  widow born Bermuda. She is an inmate at what looks like Hollenbeck Home,  Los Angeles
Emma E Hill  death 15 December 1915 Los Angeles.

Of  course I know this doesn`t really help with your Alfred,  but I`ve had a nice trip to the USA ;)
 




33
Monmouthshire / Re: Alfred Pope
« on: Wednesday 24 November 21 17:03 GMT (UK)  »

34
Monmouthshire / Re: Alfred Pope
« on: Wednesday 24 November 21 14:26 GMT (UK)  »
There are reports of bankruptcy in various papers

Alfred Pope late of Bridgwater draper Dec 31 1869 Exeter
Bankruptcy .—At the Castle of Exeter yesterday , ' the case of Alfred Pope, draper, of Bridgewater, came  before Mr. Registrar Daw. The bankrupt, it appeared, was lodged in Taunton gaol at the suit of  a creditor, and the registrar of the Taunton Court, on visiting the gaol  adjudicated Mr. Pope a bankrupt, and the debts being  above £300 the proceedings were transferred to the Exeter District Court of Bankruptcy. Bankrupt failed to surrender there at the time appointed, and his affairs were transferred to the County Court. A petition to annull  which was supported by Mr Rogers  was  now  presented, and there being no  opposition, the court  annulled the bankruptcy.

Exeter Court of Bankruptcy
Date: Friday,  Jan. 7, 1870 Publication: Exeter and Plymouth Gazette
Re Alfred Pope, late of Bridgewater, draper. Meeting for choice. Bankrupt owes £690, and has no assets, the furniture and stock having been sold under a deed of assignment. No assignee was chosen.
By March 1870 the case was annulled

In April 1870 there was an audit of Alfred Pope of Bridgewater, grocer and a later entry of a bankruptcy engagement. Nothing more found after this for sure. Could he have had decided to try another trade.

I looked for another Alfred Pope in Bridgewater in 1871 but only found the draper.

Could his wife got a bit fed of him ?



35
Monmouthshire / Re: Alfred Pope
« on: Wednesday 24 November 21 13:38 GMT (UK)  »
It was 48 years later so he could have changed the style, he is consistent with the  entry of his son.

The marriage you have is a copy so written by a clerk at the time you ordered it.
It doesn`t  seem to be online. I suppose you could contact the Gwent  Records Office and ask if they can get a copy of the original entry. There will be a charge, but you have all the details  so won`t be a long search.
Worth a shot  . 

36
Monmouthshire / Re: Alfred Pope
« on: Monday 22 November 21 21:52 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, that is a copy , you would need the original.  At least it was in a Church , perhaps they are online somewhere but Wales was a bit reluctant in letting their registers be recorded at one time.

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