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The Common Room / Re: John RENWICK
« on: Sunday 11 July 21 10:55 BST (UK)  »
Robert Muir born 1833 seems to have had a tough time. In 1891 and 1901 he is in New Monkland poorhouse where he died unmarried on 31 July 1902.
His brother John Muir was the informant. he gives the parents names as Hugh Muir. HELEN White, previously Muir, MS Thomson.
This seems to conform that Catherine is the same person.

I found this on a tree online with very little other information.

The Common Room / Re: John RENWICK
« on: Friday 09 July 21 12:56 BST (UK)  »
No help really but it all adds to the mix.

In March 1886 Robert Muir aged 53  and single applied for parochial relief, he had "no home"
He was born Rawyard. New Monkland , and is  the son of Hugh Muir, waggon driver  and Helen Thomson.

The Common Room / Re: John RENWICK
« on: Thursday 08 July 21 16:43 BST (UK)  »
Thanks , a useful tip.😃

The Common Room / Re: John RENWICK
« on: Thursday 08 July 21 15:58 BST (UK)  »
There`s a tree on Ancestry  with a lot of info but nothing to shed any light on Renwick.
Martin White Family Tree.

William Carruthers Whyte
Birth 14 JAN 1803 Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
Death 16 JUN 1878 Stockton, Durham, England

He marries Jane Wadell 1803-1854

Then marries Helen Thomson 18121874
Name:    Hellen Thomson Spouse: William White
Marriage Date:    25 Feb 1856
Marriage Place: New Monkland,Lanark,Scotland

Birth 1812 Armadale, West Lothian, Scotland
Death 23 JUL 1874 Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland

In the earlier  census  after Helen marries Hugh Muir she is still listed as Helen Thomson.
Why is this, and why doesn`t she marry as Muir. Are there different regulations for Scotland .
I checked the tree and there are no Renwick names on it.

Hugh Muir 30   
Helen Thomson 29

Hugh Muir    40
Helen Thomson 39

The Common Room / Re: John RENWICK
« on: Thursday 08 July 21 12:33 BST (UK)  »
That`s a lot of great work done and it sounds possible. Well done.

My only query is  from which source did this information come from about John Renwick.
Deceased by 1891, who was a First Mate in the Merchant Service.

This is a good source for names but there is no personal information given

 Family Search .United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records, 1835-1941
John Renwick Birth Year (Range): 1800 - 1850
There are 9 results giving year and place of birth only.

The Common Room / Re: John RENWICK
« on: Thursday 08 July 21 08:50 BST (UK)  »
There is a Lorton,  Cumberland and lots of Renwick ' s in Cumberland.  Could it be there.

The Common Room / Re: John RENWICK
« on: Thursday 08 July 21 07:19 BST (UK)  »
The tree on Ancestry is somewhat confusing to say the least.  It refers to Ellens parents being John Renwick & Catherine White & shows Catherine as having one daughter by Renwick in 1850

However - it shows John Renwick having one daughter in 1850 by Ellen Stevenson ??? ???

Comparing the mothers name on the marriage certificate, I suppose it could be read as Stevenson.

Whoever has done the tree isn't sure of the facts.

The Common Room / Re: John RENWICK
« on: Wednesday 07 July 21 20:03 BST (UK)  »
The problem seems to be that the parental information on the marriage and death record differ in vital areas. The other info, husband, widower etc tie up apart from his age. I have already been through the census and records for the MCMILLAN children and it all matches.

Are you referring to the Renshaw/ McMillan marriage and Ellen McMillan death.
Ellen would have provided the details at her marriage,  but obviously not at her death.
Who provided them then.

The Common Room / Re: John RENWICK
« on: Wednesday 07 July 21 18:09 BST (UK)  »
It's a bit of a puzzle.  It's a long time since Ive used Scotlands people but I recall there was sometimes a good deal of information on death records.  Perhaps looking at the children might throw up something.

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