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Louth / Erasmus Smith School, Collon
« on: Wednesday 02 September 15 07:37 BST (UK)  »
Just trying to share a tunr of the century photo that may be of interest to someone. My gt uncle has dated this as as early 1900s. My grandfather and some his siblings would have attenged this school,

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Sligo / Re: Annie Golding/Golden Skreen For Waterloo and I
« on: Wednesday 26 August 15 08:57 BST (UK)  »
I have extracted some of the Skreen Church of Ireland records as my Clarke family is from that parish. In fact one of them Annie Boyd b 1905 married Phillip Goulden. Philip was the son of Daniel Goulden of Ballynacarrow. Annie's mother was my gt grandmother's sister.

The baptismal records from Skreen I have seen only commenced in 1877. I noted a Golden family b1880s in Farnaharpy, parents James & Rebecca Golden.

Also a Robert & Susan Golden of Farnaharpy who were born c1810 are buried at Skreen. A Susan Golden, daughter of Robert of Farnaharpy, married Young Coulter in 1872.

The only Gouldens in the Skreen parish records that I have found are the family of Annie & Phillip.

Cheers

Linda

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Sligo / Re: David Thompson born about 1854 born Sligo
« on: Wednesday 26 August 15 07:56 BST (UK)  »
I have a David Sydney Thompson b1916 in Sligo, died 2004 in Hastngs NZ in my  Livingston family tree.

My Livingstons are from the parish of Killoran in Sligo. My 2x gt grandfather's oldest sister was Ann Livingston born 1807 who married James Davis. Their granddaughter Mary Anne Crean b1885 married  John Martin Thompson of Ballymote Sligo. They were the parents of David Sydney Thompson.

There could be a connection to your family.

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Antrim / Re: MCMASTERS in Templepatrick, Antrim
« on: Wednesday 26 August 15 07:16 BST (UK)  »

I should add that my impression was that the Templepatrick records are not included in the McKinney Notebook. Ron only mentions the Carnmoney records in relation to the McKinney notebook as below.

In the case of the Carnmoney records, one of the clerks made a separate record of members  by family group with their births, baptisms , marriage and deaths. This is known as " the McKinney Notebook" and is the PRONI in Belfast. It has proved to be a help in sorting out the early families. I obtained a copy and it has helped me a lot over the years.

In an unrelated aside (or at least on my maternal line rather than my paternal Antrim families) I have several McMaster marriages in my Livingston family of Sligo . These McMasters only appear from the mid 1800 though so could have originated in Antrim. In fact now that I look again at my Ancestry tree, some of the McMasters have hints which might tell me more bout them.

Cheers

Linda

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Antrim / Re: MCMASTERS in Templepatrick, Antrim
« on: Wednesday 26 August 15 07:04 BST (UK)  »
I was in contact again with Ron Coleman in April this year in regards to the source for his Carnmoney tree in Ancestry. Ron did say that the McKinney Notebook was the source for the information on the Roughfort Barron family that MFGilbert has mentioned (re Pullan connection). The marriage of MFGilbert's 4 x gt grandmother Jane Barron of Roughfort to Ezekiel D Wiley of Ballycushan took place in the Templepatrick Presbyterian Church. We share the Wiley family ancestry.

Ron Coleman has a separate tree in Ancestry for the Templepatrick families as taken from the Lylehill Presbyterian Church. Below are Ron's comments on his sources.

I extracted the early Templepatrick, Donegore and Carmoney records many years ago and kept them separate. I made no attempt to reconcile the 3 records. I did not want to guess or calculate possible relationships. Donegore has 6 early Barrons; Templepatrick has about 60 and Carnmoney has about 25. I have found there are periods in the Presbyterian Church records when " the pulpit was vacant" and parishioners used a nearby congregation for baptisms or marriages. In the case of Donegore and Templepatrick they are less than a mile apart.   It makes it difficult to properly link every one.

Cheers

Linda

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Presbyterian Doherty, Dogherty, Dougherty of Glendermott
« on: Sunday 16 August 15 07:29 BST (UK)  »
I have searched the Hugh Doherty deaths recorded for Londonderry in the GRO from 1864 to 1883 and the only Hugh who died aged 84, died on 10 Jan 1872.

I was looking for the Hugh who matched the Glendermott tombstone of Hugh Dougherty who died aged 84 and Martha who died aged 73.

This Hugh is therefore likely to be the Hugh who was married to Martha Mitchell and may also be the Hugh Doherty of Crumbkiln in 1831 whose Presbyterian household comprised 2 males & 4 females.

If both are correct then Jane Doherty, daughter of Hugh and Martha, who was born c1838 possibly had 3 older sisters and one older brother born pre 1831.

Although I had hoped this Hugh (now believed to have been born c 1788) was the brother of Henry Dougherty (b c1787)  of Coolkeeragh, I am no longer sure this is the case as the Hugh Dogherty of Coolkeeragh had 4 males and one female in his family in 1831. Of course he may not have been Henry's brother.

I still think there is a close relationship between the Cromkill Doughertys and The Coolkeeragh Doughertys. My 2x gt grandfather, Henry Dougherty of Coolkeeragh, listed 4 males & 4 females in his family in 1831. I forgot to mention one other daughter, Rachael, born c1838 who died 18 Nov 1867 aged 28. So there are several names in common in both families.

I do not know which of Henry's children were born pre 1831 and he did not name any other sons in his will (written 1874) other than my gt grandfather William John Dougherty.  The notice of Rachael's death stated she was the 5th daughter of Henry Dougherty. So at least 4 other daughters were born pre 1839, one of whom would be Martha.






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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Presbyterian Doherty, Dogherty, Dougherty of Glendermott
« on: Sunday 16 August 15 02:41 BST (UK)  »
My 2 x gt grandfather Henry Dougherty of Coolkeeragh died 5 Oct 1877 aged 90 and left a will.

Henry's wife was mentioned in the will as still living but not by name and I do not know either her first name or her maiden name.

Henry's children as mentioned in his Will were:
   Martha    (born October 1838   m 1856 William SEARLES, in Pennsylvania USA)
   William John born c1836   married Glendermott 1873 to  Margaret COLE of Mullenan
   Catherine    married John LOUTHER of Lisdillon
Margaret
Mary Jane
Eliza

I do not know anything about the three possibly unmarried daughters.

Catherine was Catherine Ann and born c1844. Catherine's oldest daughter Jane Lowther was mentioned in Henry's will of 1877. Catherine's husband John Lowther was one of the witnesses at my gt grandparents wedding in 1873.

The Lowthers had moved to Castrues, Killea in Do Donegal in 1901.

Martha Dougherty emigrated to the USA prior to 1856, possibly 1851. Different dates are given for her birth and emigration in various USA census. Martha may have been born May 1832 or Oct 1838.

My gt grandparents met when my gt grandmother, Margaret Jane Dougherty nee Cole was living with her mother's sister Catherine Colhoun nee Shiels at Bishop's St Londnderry. Margaret Jane had been sent to live with Catherine & her husband Andrew Colhoun (merchant) while she attened the Miss McKillops School.

Andrew Colhoun was the other witness at my gt grandparent's marriage and William John Dougherty is supposed to have also been a relative of the Colhouns.



Cheers

Linda.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Presbyterian Doherty, Dogherty, Dougherty of Glendermott
« on: Sunday 16 August 15 02:11 BST (UK)  »
It is a little while since I last looked at this family and my knowledge of the other Dougherty families is both second hand and scanty but for the sake of keeping track, I had added both Hugh Doherty b c1800 who married Martha Mitchell and Walker Doherty b c1798 of Cromkill to my family tree as siblings of my 2 x gt grandfather Henry Dougherty b1787 of Coolkeeragh.

In my tree I have included a son Hugh born c1834 and died 14 Aug 1911 as the son of Hugh Doherty and Martha Mitchell. Dave Mitchell identified the Jane Doherty (b1838) who married John Semple as another child of this couple. Rachel Doherty born c1845 and died29 Dec 1916 is I believe another in this family.

My grandmother and her twin sister (b1891) were the youngest children of William John Dougherty of Coolkeragh (son of Henry) and Margaret Jane Cole of Mullennan. My grandmother, Wilhelmina Foster Dougherty emigrated to NZ shortly after her marriage in 1921. Mina's twin sister , Violet S B M Dougherty, emigrated to NZ as a widow when in her 80s along with her younger daughter and family. One of Violets daughter's told me that an old Dougherty "Aunt" had left a family farm to Tilly Doak. I have hopefully identified that Aunt as the Rachel Doherty who died in 1916 and Tilly Doak as the Matlilda Semple nee Doak, who married Robert James Semple, son of Jane Doherty and John Semple.

I will separately post what I know of the family of Henry Dougherty of Coolkeeragh my 2 x gt grandfather.

Cheers

Linda (NZ)

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Antrim / Re: mckelvey family,....clough ?
« on: Monday 18 May 15 13:08 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the geography. I had only looked  at my ordinance survey map which stops just above Drummaul & Caddy so does not include Ballymena, but does include Toome.

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