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London and Middlesex / COMPLETED - Missing Burial/Cremation ...
« on: Friday 17 May 19 12:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi Everyone ... just hoping someone can offer some advice or info as I seem to be going round in circles ...

My relative Dorothy Caroline Hall died in Whittington Hospital, Islington, London on 22 April 1985.  She was 93 years old and never married.  At that time she was the last person in her family and had no other close relatives.  She was therefore dealt with by the hospital, and her Death Cert states that a member of staff called Josephine Rocke was responsible for 'causing the body to be buried'.

I assume that means Dorothy would have gone into a pauper's grave. 

I phoned the Mortuary at the Whittington and they said they did not hold any records going back to the 80s, but would most likely have used Islington & St Pancras Cemetery/Crem or Manor Park Cemetery/Crem.  They said that she might have been cremated even though the Death Cert mentioned burial.  I have contacted both and searched Deceased Online but no joy.  Dorothy does not appear to be in either.

The Mortuary also said they would have used a funeral director called Kendals in the 80s but that they were now defunct and had no surviving records.  They also did not recognise the name Josephine Rocke.

Can anyone think of where/what else I could try to locate Dorothy?

Many thanks, Nina

Shropshire / Missing from 1910-1935 ...
« on: Saturday 02 March 19 20:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hi!  Further to my earlier post re my relative who died in Havana House, Whitchurch in 1935, I am having problems trying to find her from 1910-1935 ... can anyone help?

Her name was officially Prudence Harriette Hamley (nee Bielski, DOB 21 July 1860, Islington, London), but she often went by the name Pauline Hamley.  Her husband John Hamley divorced her in 1910.  At that time the family home was in Palmers Green, North London but Prudence/Pauline was residing at the Albion Beer House, Mill St, Crewe.  She had, according to the divorce papers on Ancestry, had an affair from January to August 1904 with a Mr Shaw, at that address in Crewe.  I know she was literate as she wrote a letter to her ex-husband which was in with the divorce papers. 

In the 1881 Census at aged 20, and 4 months after her marriage to John Hamley, she was listed as 'Pianiste'.  In subsequent census years the occupation section is blank for her, but I imagine she was busy with the three children she had with John.

I have tried all sorts of permeations of her name but cannot find a likely person in the 1911 Census. 

I cannot find any trace of her from her divorce in 1910 until her burial on 28 December 1935 in Whitchurch Cemetery - the burial register states 'Hamley (or Vernon), Prudence H'.  I have no idea where the surname Vernon comes into things!  I have zoomed down on Google Earth and it appears there is no headstone or any sort of marker for her grave.

Can anyone find her, especially in the 1911 Census?  I am assuming she was in the Shropshire area in that time, but I guess she could have been anywhere ...

Many thanks, Nina

Shropshire / Havana House, Mill St, Whitchurch, Shropshire
« on: Friday 01 March 19 18:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Everyone - just wondering if anyone knew anything about Havana House in Mill St, Whitchurch - my relative died there in 1935 but I do not know what she was doing there - whether it was a private house, a house with several rented rooms, some sort of poor accommodation (but it looks rather grand for that!) ...

I have searched Google and found the house on the British Listed Buildings website, but not much more info than that.

I have attached a photo ...

Many thanks, Nina

Europe / BELGIUM Death Records?
« on: Monday 18 February 19 08:54 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Everyone!  I was just wondering if there was anywhere I could look online to see a couple of death records or the death registers for Belgium? 

One death was in 1916 for a lady called Julia Hamley - I think this was in the Brussels area, and the other was 1955 for a gentleman called John Hamley and this was definitely in Brussels.

I found some vague information on FindMyPast but was after something more detailed.

Many thanks,  Nina

Hello Everyone!

I have been trying to find out some info re my Great Grandfather William George Vandy. 

I know all the info that can be found on Ancestry and FindMyPast, but on enquiring where he worked, it appears that an article in the in-house magazine about his death noted that he ''conducted for over 40 years an Evangelistic Mission in North London.''  They have no further information on which Mission that was.

I have already spoken to what was Ferme Park Baptist Chapel (now Union Church) in Crouch End, where he married in 1905, and they have no record of his involvement with them.

His last address was in Sidney Avenue, Palmers Green (and previously lived at 2 other addresses within walking distance of Sidney Av) so I thought I would radiate my search out from there by looking at old maps between 1900 and 1940 to see which Chapels, Churches and Missions existed then, with a shot at emailing any remaining places - I have emailed St John The Evangelist, Palmers Green, and Palmers Green Baptist Church so far but to be honest it is really feeling like a needle in a haystack and rather overwhelming.

I haven't found an obituary and sadly all those family members who would have known all the answers are now long gone.

Has anyone got any top tips as to how I might refine my search?  Are there any central registers for this type of search?  Does anyone live in North London who might be involved with a church and have noticed his name in any old literature (now that's a long shot!).

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!

Many thanks, Nina


London and Middlesex / COMPLETED Gunnersbury Register Office?
« on: Monday 17 December 18 13:07 GMT (UK)  »
Hi!  I just received a marriage cert from 1916 and it appears the marriage took place at the Register Office in Gunnersbury, Brentford, Middlesex, but I just cannot find anything about this particular office online.  Am I reading the cert correctly?  I have attached the part of the cert with the wording ...

I then wanted to know the names of the Registrar and Superintendent Registrar but cannot work them out.  I have also attached this bit of the cert.

Can anyone help with the location of the Gunnersbury Reg Office as it was in 1916, and the 2 names of the Registrars?

Hope I have posted this query in the right section - let me know if not!

Many thanks, Nina

London and Middlesex / Is it KETTELL or possibly FETTELL???
« on: Tuesday 18 September 18 17:15 BST (UK)  »
Hi Everyone - I'm pulling my hair out here.  I have been looking for a long time now for the marriage between my Grt Grt Grt Grandparents with no joy.  Perhaps I have been using permeations of the wrong maiden surname, but I would have thought something vaguely relevant would have popped up by now, especially as I have searched using the male surname as well as the female surname. 

I have attached a section from a birth cert - I believe it is OK to post just a section of a certificate - let me know if not and I will remove immediately - which shows the birth of my Grt Grt Grandfather Robert George Cable born in the Reg District of St Pancras, Sub District of Camden in the County of Middlesex.  Father is Robert Thomas Cable and mother listed as Mary Maria KETTELL ... or could it be FETTELL ... or even something else?

Robert George Cable was born in 1854 but had older siblings, definitely one born in 1845 and possibly one born in 1840, so I have been searching for a marriage from about 1835 onwards.  I have searched all the usual sites but no marriage is coming to light - well nothing that looks possible.  Unless I am having a very senior moment ...

Does anyone have any ideas re the maiden surname and where I can search next?  I live abroad so cannot visit any archives in person.

Many thanks, almost bald  :o, Nina

Hi Everyone - I'm not having much luck with tracing what happened to Clarice Mabel HANN or her sister Marie Hilda HANN. 

They were both born in Kent but the last place I have traced both of them to is London, hence I am posting this query in the London section!

Here is what I know about each of them:

Parents:  George Hann & Jane Clarice Spratt
Brother:  Robert George Halsey Hann 1887-1975

Clarice Mabel Hann
Born Jan 1875 Canterbury, Kent
Baptised Jan 1875 Canterbury, Kent
1881 Census, age 6, 14 Whitstable Rd, Canterbury
1891 Census, age 16, 31 Marylebone High St, London
1901 Census, age 26, 31 Moore Buildings, St George Hanover Sq, London - Bootmaker's Assistant

Marie Hilda Hann
Born Feb 1879 Canterbury, Kent
Baptised Feb 1879 Canterbury, Kent
1881 Census, age 2, 14 Whitstable Rd, Canterbury
1891 Census, age 12, 31 Marylebone High St, London
1901 Census, age 22, 2 Airlie Gardens, Kensington, London - Domestic Nurse

And then the trail for both of them goes cold!

I cannot locate a marriage for either. 
I cannot locate a death for either.
I cannot locate either of them in the 1911 Census. 
I cannot locate any passenger lists showing they might have emigrated.

Can anyone help? 

(Just so you know, Clarice Mabel Hann DID NOT marry a man called Melville Ward Florance - Ancestry Hints are very keen on pushing this link, but he did in fact marry a lady called Mabel Clarice Dening who was born in 1885).

Many thanks, Nina

Durham Lookup Requests / COYNE Baptisms ... Tyne & Wear Archives
« on: Monday 26 March 18 16:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi Everyone!  I was just wondering if someone could possibly help me at all when next in the Tyne & Wear Archives?

I am searching for the births of several Coyne children who, according to the various census returns, were all born in Wrekenton.  However, there are no records of these births in the Gateshead Register Office, and the lady there said she could find no trace of their births in any area.  As registration was compulsory by that time, she felt that they wouldn't have simply been unregistered.  She felt that maybe they had all been born in Scotland or Ireland, but as they were living in the Wrekenton area from before the 1861 census and through subsequent census returns, I feel sure they must be listed somewhere locally.  I have also checked numerous sites using different variants of the surname but still no joy.

I was therefore hoping that there might be some mention in the baptism records of St Jospeh's RC Church in Birtley.  One of the children, Bridget got married there in 1884 to a James Green, so it must have been a church that the family used.

If anyone can have a look for me, I believe the records have the reference C.B13.

I am trying to find the following:

Peter Coyne, born c1856, Wrekenton
Mary Coyne, born c 1859, Wrekenton
On..... (illegible female) Coyne, born c1861, Wrekenton
Bridget Coyne, born c1864, Wrekenton

Their parents were Thomas Coyne, a Mason's Labourer, or plain Labourer, and Bridget Coyne. I do not know her maiden name and would love to find out.  Both parents were born in Ireland.

My family branch stems from Bridget Coyne born c1864.

Many, many thanks!


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