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Renfrewshire / Re: Paisley parish baptism - Edwards
« on: Sunday 02 November 14 06:55 GMT (UK)  »
Samuel and Sarah were married by banns in Holywell and both were listed otp. One witness was Sarah's bother Hugh Jones,  the other I don't remember (not at home to check) but wasn't an Edwards.  No occupation for Sam on marriage cert.  for all his children's baptisms he is listed as a labourer but on my 2x gt gran Anne Elizabeth's wedding cert his occupation is given as engineer - another anomaly!   I'm certain that this Samuel is my Ann Eliz's father because her marriage witness was her sister Sarah by then mrs Roberts.  Samuels wife Sarah  is living with this Sarah Roberts & her husband (Mother in law on census) in 1861.

I don't know of any of Sam's siblings BUT an   Anne Elizabeth Edwards of the right age   is staying with/ working for a Hugh Edwards , innkeeper just down the road from her married address.  If this is my Anne E then hugh might be Samuel's brother.

All in all not much help

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Renfrewshire / Re: Paisley parish baptism - Edwards
« on: Sunday 02 November 14 06:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,

I know very little of Samuel prior to his marriage.  in the 1841 census my 2x great gran and Samuel's daughter ann Elizabeth born 1819 is possibly living with/ working for / visiting a Hugh Edwards innkeeper. It is very near where she lived after her marriage.  He could be Samuel's brother.  but there is at least on other Anne Eliz Edwards of a similar age and I'm not sure it is her.   When his children were born his occupation was always labourer  but on Ann eliz's marriage cert he is an engineer.  Another anomaly but  yes I am certain it is the same man (because, for eg, his wife is living with Ane E's sister and marriage witness in 61)

A marriage witness for Samuel and Sarah nee Jones' marriage in Holywell   was her brother another Hugh - no Edwards witnesses though. . married by banns and both otp.  (sarah was definitely born there.) and no - no occupation for Samuel. 
Not a great deal to go on I'm afraid.

best wishes, Alison


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Renfrewshire / Re: Paisley parish baptism - Edwards
« on: Sunday 02 November 14 03:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Goldie 61,

thank you very much for doing that search. Samuel and his wife Sarah  were nonconformists as their later children were baptised at Benn Gardens Wesleyan in Liverpool (though the earlier ones were Cof E baptisms) I'll certainly follow up  those marriages - slowly!

and hi Looby - I wish I knew!   I cannot find them in the 41 census anywhere. Nor with any certainty any of their 6 children.  They were in Liverpool for the birth of their children from 1811 to late 1820s and in Liverpool for my gt grandmother's marriage in 1845 . In 51 they were in Toxteth park and so was Sarah in 61.  So I imagine that is where Samuel was in 41.  I have tried Welsh and Scottish 41 census also but nothing!

thanks to both of you for replying
Alison

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Renfrewshire / Re: Paisley parish baptism - Edwards
« on: Saturday 01 November 14 18:22 GMT (UK)  »
oops - so sorry!- didn't mean to post the above twice.    Alison

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Renfrewshire / Paisley baptism lookup please - 1787 Samuel Edwards son of John & Eliz.
« on: Saturday 01 November 14 18:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there, I'm trying again :) to locate my mysterious 3x great grandfather Samuel Edwards who married in Wales in 1808 , lived in Liverpool, but is adamant in census records that  he was born in Paisley.

I now have his Flintshire marriage record which amazingly gives his parent's names - John & Elizabeth Edwards and confirms his birth year as 1787.  At the time he was "otp"  but there is no record of his birth in Holywell or neighbouring villages.

Please can someone help me break through this brick wall  by looking up the Paisley baptismal register  or advising me how I can obtain a copy from here in NZ.

With many thanks
Alison Molineux

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Renfrewshire / Paisley lookup please: 1787 Samuel Edwards son of john & Elizabeth
« on: Saturday 01 November 14 18:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there, I'm trying again :) to locate my mysterious 3x great grandfather Samuel Edwards who married in Wales in 1808 , lived in Liverpool, but is adamant in census records that  he was born in Paisley.

I now have his Flintshire marriage record which amazingly gives his parent's names - John & Elizabeth Edwards and confirms his birth year as 1787.  At the time he was "otp"  but there is no record of his birth in Holywell or neighbouring villages.

Please can someone help me break through this brick wall  by looking up the Paisley baptismal register  or advising me how I can obtain a copy from here in NZ.

With many thanks
Alison Molineux


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Flintshire / Re: Holywell St James lookup please
« on: Saturday 01 November 14 02:55 GMT (UK)  »
aha thank you that clears that up.   Their first  four children were Edward, John, Samuel and Anne- Elizabeth, so I think I've got his parents right as john and Elizabeth.  I'll have another try with Paisley records just in case.

best wishes, Alison

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Flintshire / Re: Holywell St James lookup please
« on: Saturday 01 November 14 00:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hello again William  and sgf28

Thank you so much for doing this extra research.

I think find my past might have it a bit wrong.  I found this on the Clwyd family history society web page where Jill Rose had transcribed both Edwards and Jones marriages:
 159/37   6 Feb  Holywell                               Sarah JONES sp/20 otp d/o Edwd & Anne m. Saml EDWARDS ba/21 otp s/o John & Eliz.
when I did the reverse and looked up Samuel there was the same info. but no parent's names.  I'm certain Samuel was 21 not 25 when he and Sarah married.  As for Nannerch v. Holywell  I'm not sure which is the more likely/reliable.

Thank you for the information about Hugh Jones as a witness and yes looks pretty certain he is Sarah's brother and that she was born in Halkyn.

I don't have a find my past subscription but noticed through the LDS site that FindMyPast appear to have a
Samuel Edwards baptised in 1787 in Holywell.  Could one of you please check that for me please

once again with many thanks for all your help.  Alison


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Flintshire / Re: Holywell St James lookup please
« on: Friday 31 October 14 17:39 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you very much for looking them up William.  It confirms what I suspected  and "that" brick wall is still firmly in place!   best wishes, Alison

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