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The Common Room / Missing person on 1861 Census
« on: Saturday 29 November 14 12:36 GMT (UK)  »
I've been researching Joyce Bothamley, born in 1848 at Dogsthorpe near Peterborough.  She was a twin to Jane Bothamley.  I've got her on the 51, 71, 81 etc etc.  However, I cannot for the life of me find her on the 61, nor her sister.  They both would have been 13 and presumably at school.

The only possible I have found is Joyce Jane Bishoff (actually, it is probably Bishop when you look closely) at the Central District School in Hanwell which was part of the workhouse.  Is this my Joyce and Jane do you think - 2 people rolled into one and given the wrong surname?  (Note, no birthplace).  And why would they be in the workhouse when their father was farming 356 acres and employing a load of people?

Certainly by 1870 (when she marries) Joyce's address was given as being St Peter's Pimlico.  However, in 1871 Census she was back at the parental home and described as unmarried.

Any suggestions, please?  Apart from the fact that they were a hugely dysfunctional family (1 bigamist, 1 fantasist and murder victim etc etc).

The Lighter Side / Re: Why a Burial in Unconcecrated Ground?
« on: Thursday 20 November 14 14:22 GMT (UK)  »
I found that confusing too when I first heard the term 25 odd years ago.  I formed the conclusion that my family were either paupers or devil worshipers.  However, they were neither.  They were ardent Congregationalists and seemingly quite well to do.

However, I've yet to work out why an earlier ancestor was buried in "Uncon" when he was clearly Anglican church.

The Common Room / Face recognition and or face aging software
« on: Thursday 20 November 14 11:32 GMT (UK)  »
Not sure whether to post this in photos or technology, so I plumped for here.  Sorry Mods if you want to move it.

I have a couple of photocopied pictures from the late 1890s/probably the turn of the century.  (I have posted them on here and had some incredibly useful responses).  I have now acquired some pictures from the 1930s.  I am trying to analyse whether a couple I can identify on a 1934 picture appear on the much earlier ones. Clearly, however, they have aged 35 years!

Is there any facial recognition or aging software that is FREE (this ridiculous hobby already costs me a small fortune) that people would recommend, please?

Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: John Plant and family Peterborough
« on: Thursday 20 November 14 11:26 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all for your contributions.

Yes Wiggy, it is lovely.  Shame I can only positively identify about 4 people though!

Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / John Plant and family Peterborough
« on: Tuesday 18 November 14 15:42 GMT (UK)  »
Can anyone put a date on this, please?

I cant help with the size of the photo because I just have an A4 photocopy.

There is another (later I think) picture of the family here if that helps.


The Common Room / Re: Naturalisation records, an FOI and a missing death!
« on: Monday 17 November 14 12:07 GMT (UK)  »
That was pretty much our reaction!  "350 pages!!!!  I wonder what's in it"!

I think a visit to Kew looks to be on the cards now.  It's cheaper for us to drive down there and spend the day rather than shell out 455 just before CHristmas.  As far as I am aware, now the record is opened it is publicly available.

I shall however, be less than impressed if they quote has included the ENTIRE record and it is just 20 pages!

The Common Room / Re: Naturalisation records, an FOI and a missing death!
« on: Monday 17 November 14 11:50 GMT (UK)  »
Just thought I would update this one.  THanks to everyone who responded.  We have now had confirmation that the NA have opened the record for Mr BM.

I requested a quote for copying (and made certain to specify it was just info relating to him I wanted).  The quote?  A whopping 455!  Apparently there are 350 pages.  Is this normal?!

Rutland / Re: Belton in Rutland look up please for Catherine De Rippe
« on: Saturday 15 November 14 10:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Forte

Yes thank you, I do. Catherine (above) was Abraham's second wife and she remarried when he died in 1792.  Robert (I think) was Abraham's brother.  Thank you.

FH Documents and Artefacts / Re: Possible WW1 original document
« on: Thursday 13 November 14 19:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Philip

Thank you very much for taking the time and trouble to reply.  I do think what you said was interesting.  Thank you very much for your expertise.

I hadnt considered that it may have been written locally for a church/ magazine etc.  I think we are going to have to seek an expert's view at a museum.  It is lovely that it is in the family, but if it is genuine, we would like it to have a wider audience.

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