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Armed Forces / Need help with abberviations and numbers on WWII army record
« on: Monday 16 December 19 16:27 GMT (UK)  »
I was looking at my great-uncles WWII army record and there are a lot of letters and numbers I can't understand, can anyone explain what they mean. I wasn't sure if I was allowed to use an image of it on this board or not.

The first column shows his army number 1099722, the next column his name James Noades, underneath it stamped Discharged 1956. Then it says 6u(?) 150.8 NS and AS AS 191.1. Also in pencil is written 178/53. What do these numbers and letters mean?

The last column is transfers to other corp or cause of becoming non-effective It says LAA 10.12.45 which I think is Light Anti Aircraft, then it says 9/4/46 Z/T. What does that mean?

Also on my granddad's army record, in the last column it says ACC 14.3.42 which was the army catering corps which he was transferred to, but above this it also says S/L. What does that mean?

Any help would be appreciated.

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The Common Room / Ancsetor who used two different surnames at the same time
« on: Sunday 15 December 19 17:52 GMT (UK)  »
I have read tales of people changing their surname for a varitey of reasons including covering up a criminal past or bigamy, but my ancestor appeared to have used two different surnames at the same time.

My grandmother was born under the surname Howard Wisby in 1914. This was always a source of amusement/curiosity to my brother and I as children. It was only when I started my family history research in the 1990s that I asked her why she had a double name and she didn't know. Her elder sister told me that her dad's family was called Wisby but they adopted the name Howard when her grandfather John Wisby "took over a shoe shop" (her words).

I believed this at first but it got complicated when I researched into the family. I expected to find the family under the name Wisby and a shoe making business under the name Howard which when taken over changed its name to Howard Wisby. However it turned out that my nan's great-grandfather used both the names Wisby and Howard two generations earier.

James Wisby was born circa 1809 in Great Wakering in Essex. He worked as a chaff cutter (farm labourer) in Essex. Her married in 1829 and had 11 children. The family moved to Lonon circa 1845 living in Marylebone to start with and the last 5 of his children were born in London. In 1851 they are still listed as living at the same address in Marylebone under then name Wisby with James working as a chaff cutter but the Census record from the same year shows the famly at an address in St Pancras working with James as a shoe maker (it says master Shoemaker employing one man).

I then wonderd if James Wisby's wife's birth name was Howard and that he used her name as the business name but her birthname was Murrells. I then wondered if his mother's maiden name was Howard but I later found out it was Bloys. On the 1841 census he and his family are in Great Wakering, Essex and next door are a James Howard and his wife Eadey (Edith).  Later I discovered that Eadey (Edith) was Mary Murrells' sister. So James Wisby's brother-in-law was called James Howard who also worked as a chaff cutter.

I did wonder for a while if they were one and the same person and James married bigamously because I can't find a birth record of James Howard that matches up with his age and place of birth on the census. However when I later searched the marriage records in Essex I found that the two marriages took place in neighbouring villages and the 1841 Census shows them living at the same address (or next door to eachother) so it seems unlikely that he could get away with such deciept. In London in the 1840s they are living very close to eachother in Marylebone.

I noticed that when living in London after 1850 whenever one of James' children were baptised he used the name Wisby but on the Census it was always Howard.

My theory is that as a humble chaff cutter after he moved to London he wanted to be a shoe maker having picked up how to make shoes (from whom I don't know) but he didn't want to, or was too old to, train as a shoe maker (you had to served 7 years as an apprentice). So he used his brother-in-law's name to front the business Howard being more commonplace than Wisby, which was probably why that name always appeared on the Census in case authorities asked questions but on birth, deaths and marriages he always used his birth name of Wisby.

This seems to have led to problems for his chlidren and grandchildren because by the time of my grandmother's generation some were born as Wisby, some as Howard, some as Howard Wisby (inc my grandmother and her siblings) and some as Wisby Howard. This is a nightmare for family history research as I'm sure you can imagine, especially with Howard being a popular name.

So my theory is that John Wisby didn't buy the shoemaking business as my great-aunt told me but it was his father James who borrowed/adopted the name Howard to front shoe making business to cover up the fact that he wasn't qualified. Has anyone else come across examples where someone has not just changed their name but used two names at the same time like James Wisby/Howard? And has anyone any theories on why someone might do this? And does anyone have any other theories about why James Wisby used two surnames?

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Armed Forces / Help needed identifying owner of WWII coin-medal
« on: Wednesday 27 November 19 22:47 GMT (UK)  »
My dad had an old collection of coins which he collected as a young man. Among them I found an interesting old coin. It is a Greek Drachma coin dated 1930 and is not especially rare or collectable. However the original owner has turned it into a type of medal or tag by grinding down one side of it and drilling a hole at the top. I'm guessing it was worn round the neck on a cord. On the new flat surface he has stamped some letters and numbers on it:

E Le Boeuf
CofE
SSX 20307

I'm asuming that the coin-medal belonged to a soldier who was serving, possibly in Greece in the 1930s or more likely WWII. And he decided to turn the coin, which may have been considered lucky to him, into an medal/identity tag.

Is this unusual or was it common place among soldiers? And can anyone identify the soldier from these details. I have looked on several search sites but have not come up with any likely candidates apart from an Edward Le Boeuf who was born in 1918, so he's the right age to serve in WWII but I can't find records for anyone of that name during the war.

I'm asuming COFE means church of England and SSX is possibly the sussex regiment followed by the regiment number. So if someone has access to the right records they might be able to identify him.

Sadly my dad had a stroke recently and can't recall where he got the coin from but his dad and his uncles served in the war so maybe it came from one of them and belonged to their pal or they found it. But identifying the owner might help.

Any help/info would be welcome.

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I have been sent this lovely photo of my grandfather's mother, aunts, uncles and their children on a family outing to a beach. I'm guessing it dates from circa 1930 but can anyone be more precise. Also does anyone recognise the beach location from the pier in the background?
The names of the group are Ruth Lay, Ruth and Jack Cutler, Minnie Swingler and John Cutler (name of other child not known)

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The Common Room / Help wanted re the Boys Reformatory Ship the AKBAR in Liverpool
« on: Thursday 18 July 19 16:38 BST (UK)  »
From an old newspaper article I recently discovered that my great-grandfather Robert Lay was sent to the reformatory ship the Akbar in Liverpool. He was 15 and the date was December 1903. He was accused of stealing a watch from a shop and was sent to the ship for four years.
We knew that his younger brother had been in trouble with breaking the law but we knew nothing about this. I did a search on line and discovered that the Akbar was a refortmatory ship for Protestant boys and that the records are held in the Lancashire Record Office in Preston. Does anyone have access to the records there who could maybe see if obert Lay (born Marylebone 1888) is mentioned.
Also are there any good online resources about the Akbar?

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This is a signature and message written on an old photograph but we're not sure what it says. The photo is of an ancestor who was an actress in the early part of the last century. Her stage name was Mamie Stuart but her real name was Charlotte Holford (born Charlotte Webb), known to her family as Lottie. The photo was probably given to her brother and sister in law (John and Sara) as it ended up in the possesion of their daughter.
The first line looks like Yours sincerely but the second line doesn't say Mamie or Charlotte, can any one decypher what it says. NB She is in costume as a pirate in the photo so this may have some bearing on what she was written.

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The Common Room / Ancestor with missing son and wife
« on: Friday 26 April 19 22:41 BST (UK)  »
My ancestor was married three times, but there is some confusion about what happened to his second wife and his first child. Alfred Lay (b 1829, Framlingham, Suffolk) moved to london in the 1840s and worked as a barber in Marylebone. He married My Ann Newson in 1851 and they had a child Alfred Lay the following year. Mary died shortly afterwards but it is not clear what happened to the son. There is a death of an Alfred lay in Shoreditch later in 1858 but that is the wrong area of London and would appear to be a different person who matches up with a child born earlier the same year.

Alfred married for a second time in 1854 to Susannah Hallett. They don't seem to have had any children and by 1858 they had separated and Alfred placed notices on the front page of the local newspaper The Marylebone four weeks running in October of that year to inform local tradesmen that she should not be trusted, and presumably given credit in his name, (this is very unusual and is similar to a story on A House Though Time last week, it was seeing that which prompted me post this).

In February 1859 a newspaper report says that Marylebone poor law officers were taking Alfred to court saying that he was legally responsible for Susannah after she applied for financial help (this ties up with a workhouse admission record I found in her name). But a report a week later says that witnesses who stated that she had been unfaithful with other men which meant that Alfred was no longer responsible for her. It also stated that if she could aford to pay a lawyer then she couldn't be destitute so presumably she wasn't given any help.

But it is not clear what happened next. In September 1859 Alfred marries for a third time to Jane Gasson and they later have two children Letitia and Alfred Howard Lay. In theory his other son (also called Alfred) was still alive at this point but I can't find out what happened to him. Also it is not clear what happened to Susannah. I can find no record of her death but she is a mysterious character because I can't find anyone who matches up with her on the Census before she married Alfred or her baptism. Their marriage certificate shows her father was called William Hallet and was a gardener, he age is given simply as "full". However I also found some records for the Southwark orkhouse from 1852 where a Susannah Hallet was transferred to the county Asylum, and her age is shown as aged 29 meaning she was born in 1823. If this is the same Susannah Hallett it might explain her behaviour in 1858 but doesn't explain her disappearence.

I did wonder if Alfred married bigamously in 1859 and that Susannah was still alive. It is odd that he married his third wife in Lambeth and changed his occupatuion on the marriage cert from hair dresser to cutler, which suggests he was altering the truth, but he and his new wife were back living in his barber shop in East Street Marylebone on the 1861 Census where he had been with living his second wife, so it's highly unlikely that he would be so blantent if his other wife was still living, even if he came to an arrangemewnt with her.  But if Susannah was still alive and they just separated what hapened to her? The problem is I don't have any before marriage details to compare with any possible Susanah Lays after 1859.

Can anyone suggest what became of his son Alfred Lay and what happened to Susannah. Did she die but it was unrecorded? Was she still alive? If so where was she? any help would be appreciated.

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My ancestor was a barber/hair dresser working in Marylebone and is described as such on the 1851 census and on his first two marriage certificates (he was married three times). But the 1861 Census shows him listed as a Hair dresser and something else I can't read. Can anyone else work out what it says?

Also his last marriage certificate shows his occupation as a Cutler which as far as I know is a knife seller. Is there a known connection between that and hair cutting or might it mean something else?

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Armed Forces / Help wanted identifying Egyptian medal
« on: Friday 22 March 19 17:47 GMT (UK)  »
Among my grandmothers possessions we found an old medal or medallion. We think it may have belonged to one of her uncles who were soldiers before WWI. It is made from a brown metal, is quite light in weight and small (approx 1 1/4 inches in width) and is in the shape of a stylised cross (a bit like a Maltese cross). It features a small 3-d image of a sphinx and the words Egypt with the date 1894-95.

Please see photo below.

Can anyone tell me what the medal commemorated or was in honour of? Any help would be appreciated.

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