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The Common Room / Re: Interval between marriage and christening of first child
« on: Friday 17 October 14 14:20 BST (UK)  »

From The Family, Sex and Marriage in England 1500-1800, as quoted on an old post on the RootWeb List for Hampshire:

    In the eighteenth century it looks as if the spousals (i.e. betrothal) again became the generally accepted moment at which sexual relations could begin, the marriage ceremony occurring later, often when the bride was quite far advanced in pregnancy. The man's honour was not damaged in the public consciousness, provided that he lived up to his promise to marry despite any possible second thoughts he might subsequently have had; and the woman's honour was not damaged in the public consciousness merely for having commenced sexual relations after the spousals but before the marriage.

newsfeed.rootsweb.com/th/read/HAMPSHIRE/2001-02/0982782632

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Technical Help / Re: Unable to delete .pdf files
« on: Thursday 02 October 14 18:11 BST (UK)  »

When that sort of thing happens to me, I make sure I have quit any application/program that might have been used to open them,  eg. Adobe Reader or somesuch?

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Still Chasing the ST. HILL Family
« on: Saturday 23 August 14 11:24 BST (UK)  »



They married in Moreton Bay Brisbane in 1857, two years after the good reverend died.


A thought — an 1857 Queensland marriage certificate should show the parents' names.  Mind you, I guess the information is only as good as the informant wanted it to be!

Koromo
:)

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Still Chasing the ST. HILL Family
« on: Friday 22 August 14 10:50 BST (UK)  »

Hi keyless

Ah, Richard Augustus St HILL.  I've never satisfactorily placed him in the antipodean St HILL family.

... it would seem this Richard is the son of James Henry St Hill

From your post, I am supposing that Richard would have been born about 1832 in the West Indies as a "one third removed from white" child.  At that time, James Henry St HILL was a declared bankrupt, working as an architect in London.  He married Anne ROBINSON in London in 1837 and to my knowledge had no children.  However, the St HILLs were no strangers to illegitimacy and Richard could well have been James' son from before his marriage — James himself was illegitimate!


Did he return to NZ after his brush with the law in Australia?

From the Timaru Herald (NZ) 11 June 1864:
    Richard St Hill was placed at the bar charged with forgery and uttering.  The prisoner pleaded guilty, and called Alfred Osborn as to character, who deposed that he had known prisoner twelve months and had always found him steady and of good character.

    His Honor said he should take into consideration the character given to the prisoner, and would sentence him to twelve months imprisonment in Lyttleton gaol with hard labor, to be computed from 1st June instant.


Is he the St Hill at school in the English 1841 census ...

Henry W[oodford] St HILL, son of Henry Charles St HILL (1783-1861), is at school in London in 1841 aged 13.  I can't see any other St HILLs at school then.

You have caught me at just as we are about to have a visitor in the house for a few days so I won't be able to devote much time to going through all my notes, etc.  Another St HILL researcher has your Richard Augustus as a son of Richard Augustus of St Vincent (as below). Unfortunately the name Richard (and Augustus less so) is often used by the St HILLs and their SAINTHILL ancestors from Devon so it's not that easy to be sure of who belongs to whom!

Koromo
:)



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Thank you BookBox and Dawnsh.  I needed reassurance — the Latin really threw me at first until I remembered that the calendar changed.

K.

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I have a baptism transcript for Elizabeth POWELL, daughter of Mr & Mrs POWELL, baptised 1 Nov 1712.  The officiating minster was H Powell.

I also have a memorial inscription from the same church for Elizabeth, the daughter of Rev Howell & Anne POWELL:
    Requiescit hic pars mortalis ELIZABETHAE, Reverendi HOELIJ POWELL, & ANNAE Uxoris ejus, filiae que 19 die Octobris nata vi Martii sepulta fuit 1712.

'Tis somewhat confusing with the old/new calandar but does it all mean that Elizabeth was born 19th October 1712, baptised 1 November 1712, and buried on 6 March 1712/13?

Koromo

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The Common Room / Re: Meaning of the term 'inmate'
« on: Thursday 01 May 14 10:57 BST (UK)  »

The informant for my Welsh 3x gr-grandfather's death at home in 1840 was his son who is described as an inmate on the certificate.  When I queried this, the very helpful person at the Abergavenny Record Office said it was the same as saying "occupier".  I had the impression it wasn't the only example in the registrations' book.

The Law Dictionary definitions are very precise but don't quite fit my ancestor's usage. The son was married, living in London and in a business partnership with his father-in-law by then and had presumably dashed back to his own father's death bed.

K.

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The Lighter Side / Re: "Mollie Darling" sheet music by W. Putnam - 1870s 1880s ?
« on: Wednesday 23 April 14 09:28 BST (UK)  »

I think it is very possible.

I think I saw reference to a brother of W. Putnam also in the entertainment business, but I can't remember which words I searched on!

:)

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The Lighter Side / Re: "Mollie Darling" sheet music by W. Putnam - 1870s 1880s ?
« on: Wednesday 23 April 14 09:21 BST (UK)  »

And from The Era, 29 May 1897

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