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England / Re: parents of Mary Cousens Taylor b.1865 St George in the East
« on: Thursday 23 January 20 08:11 GMT (UK)  »
His father Thomas was deceased when Walter Edward got married in 1884, so no occupation given - pity!
The marriage of Walter Edward to Mary Ann Lawton in 1876 that Louisa Maud found is too early.
I think Walter Edward living with his aunt Mary Helmiker in 1871 could be right. Mary would have been Thomas's sister.
Walter Edward was described as a porter/warehouse porter on both of his daughters' marriage certificates (1913 and 1914). He seems to have died in 1932, City of London, unless that was the one married to Mary Ann Lawton.
I'm not sure we can get much further. Thank you so much for trying.

England / Re: parents of Mary Cousens Taylor b.1865 St George in the East
« on: Wednesday 22 January 20 11:23 GMT (UK)  »
All that information was most useful. I am now trying to find Mary's husband, Walter Edward Pratt b.1863 Mile End, died 1932 London
I have the registration of his birth, parents Thomas Pratt and ? Walton and recorded on his daughter's (Lilian Louisa b.1890) marriage certificate.
I think his wife Mary died in 1894 (Mile End) but can't find the family in 1891. Any ideas?

England / Re: parents of Mary Cousens Taylor b.1865 St George in the East
« on: Wednesday 22 January 20 08:14 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Mandy, that is very helpful

England / Re: parents of Mary Cousens Taylor b.1865 St George in the East
« on: Tuesday 21 January 20 09:58 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much. That's looking very promising.
Can you tell me the proper place to post my requests for help? I've never been very clear about that, it doesn't seem obvious to me.

England / parents of Mary Cousens Taylor b.1865 St George in the East
« on: Tuesday 21 January 20 08:39 GMT (UK)  »
I'm looking for the parents of the above lady. This is the spelling when her birth was registered (GRO), mmn Greaves.
On her marriage certificate (in Ancestry) her father is named as John Taylor, case maker. Her address is given as Bethnal Green and middle name spelt as Couzins.
Possible siblings are James Taylor, b.1859 St George (mmn Greaves) and Fanny Elizabeth b.1871 Whitechapel (mmn Greaves)
I just can't find her on any census! Hope someone can help, please.

From what you have all found out, it looks as if Julia Hannah Butler was married to Robert Richard Rutland in 1866. They had Hannah Eliza Martha in 1867. BUT I can't find a death for Robert Rutland.
Then in 1872 she married Thomas Dyar (I can't find this marriage in Ancestry). I also can't find Hannah Eliza Martha on the 1871 census.
If her real father was Robert Rutland  and her stepfather was Thomas Dyer, it would explain the entry on her marriage cert.
I'm happy with that explanation. Thanks, folks. As usual you have bee brilliant!

You are right about Benjamin's birth.
In 1871 I have Thomas Dyer, carman,  living 13 Mary St, Shadwell, lodging with a fellow carman, Thomas Devalient and family. I'm pretty sure this is right as Thomas's sister Elisabeth married a Thomas Devalient in 1888.
It seems that Thomas's mother, Eliza, nee Linscott, died in Stepney Workhouse in 1870, and his father James, died in 1874 in Whitechapel. It looks like they had fallen on hard times.
Thanks for the additional child, Thomas. No, I can't find a registration for Eliza, just a reference to her on the 1881 census. Perhaps an 'honorary' daughter.
It's possible the family may have been nonconformists. Maybe that's why the marriages were not officially registered

I am looking for a marriage between the above named people. Julia appears on the censuses as Hannah.
Their children were Eliza b.1867, Benjamin b.1874, Emma, b. 1876, Louisa b.1878, Thomas b.1880, Hannah b.1882, John b.1886 and Robert Henry b.1888, all born in Shadwell or Southwark.
I have the family in 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881 and 1891.
I'm also looking for the marriage of Thomas's parents James Dyer b.1802 Shadwell and Eliza Linscott b.1807 Dagenham. They had 7 children between 1830 and 1850 and lived in Shadwell.
If anyone could help, I'd be very grateful.

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Louise Lowe b.1901 Aston Manor, Warks
« on: Friday 13 December 19 13:56 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the clarification for William (of the will)! Too many people with the same name!
Great that you found a wife for Henry Morris (father Thomas, packing case maker). Glad to be able to eliminate him.
The only conclusion I can see is that William Lane and Henry Morris are the same person. Charlotte said the marriage to both men (one described on the marriage certificate and the other on the 1911 census) took place in 1904, and I can find no marriage between her and a Henry Morris. Could the enumerator have got the names wrong? Or could she have deliberately concealed her husband's real name, for what ever reason.  I guess we'll never know. But thank you so much for eliminating some of the options. As they don't appear to have had any children, it really doesn't make a difference to the lineage.

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