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London and Middlesex / Re: Woodgrange Park Cemetery and Freemasonry
« on: Tuesday 01 September 20 17:33 BST (UK)  »
Some of mine are buried at Woodgrange Park in the 1890's, they were certainly any old Tom, Dick and Harrys.
What a nasty comment.

My apologies ... no offence was intended. It is too late for me to amend the post now, but I have asked the moderators if they can change the wording to "anybody, whether Freemason or not"

The Lighter Side / Re: Genealogy frustrations.
« on: Tuesday 01 September 20 06:52 BST (UK)  »
He's a great x 11 grandfather ... my mother's father's mother's father's mother's mother's father's mother's father's mother's father's father's father.

There's one weak link in the chain that I'm not 100% certain of (it is still only conjectural that John Wake and Elizabeth Wake, nee Ashby, were the parents of my great x7 grandfather Thomas Wake (1689 - 1731) ... but the rest of the chain is secure, and I reckon that's not bad for a great x 11.

Frustratingly, I've not been able to find his baptism, but a birth in about 1565 is indicated, somewhere in the region of Linton, Cambridgeshire. That is, however, close to the three-way county boundary with Essex and Suffolk, both of which are not easy counties when it comes to Parish records. When I get time I shall have another crack at finding him ... but I've got bigger fish to fry in more recent centuries first.

He married Johan Bentlye in Linton on 2 October 1586, and they had 7 children: Agnes (bapt.  3 May 1587), Mary (bapt. 6 February 1588/9), Johan (bapt. 11 March 1590/1), Richard (bapt. 5 August 1593), Bridget (bapt. 24 June 1596), Robert (bapt. 5 July 1601) and Symon, my great x 10 grandfather, bapt. 27 June 1606).

All baptised in Linton, and no doubting that they are all the children of Nebuchadnezzar and Johan!

I don't know when Nebuchadnezzar died, but Johan Ashby was buried in Linton on 21 March 1615 (I am assuming that the Johan Ashby buried on 3 June 1641 was the daughter, or possibly a wife of one of the sons ... but it might of course have been the other way around).

England / Re: Please can someone help me get my head around this?
« on: Monday 31 August 20 18:47 BST (UK)  »
How odd ... looks like something's happened to it.

OK ... it WAS an excellent site. sic transit gloria mundi ...

England / Re: Please can someone help me get my head around this?
« on: Monday 31 August 20 18:34 BST (UK)  »
It might be worth looking on the site, too .... they're a tremendous resource for those with licensed victuallers in their tree, and getting better all the time.

The important thing is to feed back to them any information that you have which enables them to identify family links between different publicans ...

England / Re: Please can someone help me get my head around this?
« on: Monday 31 August 20 17:29 BST (UK)  »

I'm assuming you're referring to the burials ... Maybe someone else can dig something up.

But hopefully not the bodies!  :D

The Common Room / Re: Found Anyone Famous
« on: Monday 31 August 20 16:12 BST (UK)  »
Mimble - you might find this link of interest, then:;view=fulltext

It takes you to a transcript of a full account of the trial of Francis Hacker, who signed the warrant after Huncks refused, and contains Hacker's evidence of what happened in the chamber that day, along with some evidence from Huncks, and the reference to Cromwell calling him a "froward, peevish fellow".


London and Middlesex / Re: Woodgrange Park Cemetery and Freemasonry
« on: Monday 31 August 20 13:05 BST (UK)  »
Oh, I have the plot records. I visited the cemetery office and they pulled the plot record card out of a big filing cabinet and allowed me to transcribe everything they had.

I just don't know whether, by 1899, anybody, whether a Freemason or not could buy a plot there, or whether the fact that my great x3 grandfather bought a plot there in 1899 can be taken as conclusive proof that he WAS "on the square".


The Common Room / Re: Found Anyone Famous
« on: Monday 31 August 20 12:55 BST (UK)  »
A while back I chanced upon a delightful site with a full genealogy for one of my family lines, which traced them right back to one of William the Conqueror's henchmen and beyond. The line found its way to Norse royalty and hence all the way back to ... you've guessed it ... WODEN!

Doesn't come much better than that, does it?

I regret to say, though, that I found some of the links in his chain more than a little flaky, particularly in the 14th and 15th centuries.

Alas, the site disappeared before I could take it all down for later investigation. I'm solid on that line into the 17th century, and you never know ... he might have had some useful leads to follow up which would have given me reliable evidence back into the 16th. But beyond that? NAH ...

(I did try the experiment of ordering the Internet, in the name of my mighty and illustrious ancestor Woden, to reinstate the site ... but nothing happened. So I'm guessing there was something wrong in his research somewhere; because if he was right, that surely should have worked, shouldn't it? I mean, what's the point in being descended from a deity if you can't even call a single rotten website back into existence?)

The Lighter Side / Re: Genealogy frustrations.
« on: Monday 31 August 20 12:34 BST (UK)  »
It's true that when you turn up a Brown or a Smith or a Jones your heart sinks at the difficulties to come, but counterintuitively you can have just as much trouble with a more unusual name which can attract multiple spellings.

Oh, tell me about it!

Nebuchadnezzar Ashby.

I have yet to find any two records in which HIS name is spelled the same way!!!

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