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Cornwall / William Cock and Grace Tonkin - Who Were They?
« on: Friday 18 May 18 01:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi Cousins

The above couple were married by Banns on December 3rd 1815 at Madron. They were stated to be of the Parish and were Bachelor and Spinster. He signed his name and she made her mark according to the OPC Database.   

Five witnesses signed the Register. I exclude Tobias Read because he was a frequent signer - possibly the Parish Clerk.  The others were; William Pellew; Ann Williams; Willm: Jams (James) and Mary Leggo.

On May 29th 1817 at Madron a William and Grace Cock had a son called William baptized at Madron.
Their abode was Boskinning and William's occupation was Miner. I believe this was their first child.

After that baptism I have not found other children baptized in the Madron/ Penzance area.

A William Cock was baptized at Illogan on 16 Oct 1821. His father was William a Miner from Portreath. I have not found a burial of the first William so I am not sure this is the same family.

William and Grace seem to disappear from Madron/Penzance. Did they emigrate? 

I really want to know who Grace's parents were. A good candidate might be Grace Tonkin the daughter of Thomas who was baptized at Madron in 1799. Thomas was also a miner and based at St Just. It is unclear why his daughter was baptized at Madron but she seems a good candidate for marrying William Cock who was also a miner.

If anyone one has any information or ideas about this couple I would like to hear from them. I'm sure there must be clues in the four witnesses to the marriage. But I'm not seeing how they are connected.

Sincerely
Venelow
Canada


29
Quaker Family History / Quaker Dates
« on: Friday 23 February 18 00:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Rootschatter Friends

I have recently started to look at my step-daughters' Quaker ancestors and thought I had come to grips with the Friends' dating methods.

I have a date of birth of Day 10  Month 1, 1734.  Which I had taken to mean 10th March 1734. This being before the use of the Gregorian Calendar, I would also adjust to being be the year 1734/5.

If this child had arrived a little later, say Day 27, Month 1 I would expect the year for that date to be 1735 as the new year started on  Day 25 Month 1 (month one being the month called March).

The next child born in this family has a birth date of  Day 11 Month 7 1735, Month 7 being September. This is not possible. There are 185 days between 11 March 1734/5 and 11 Sep 1735.
The children have the same mother.

Have I misunderstood Quaker dates in relation to the Julian Calendar?   This was in New York Province. Did the Friends date differently in the American Colonies?

Another child of the same parents was born on Day 25, Month 9 (November) 1751 and has a death date of  Day 15 Month 19nm 1751. Any ideas what nm means?  The date makes no sense to me.

This information comes from a transcription by a well-known Quaker records transcriber who died over seventy years ago. The transcript was filmed by the LDS. I'm not sure if images of originals are available but going to the USA to view the originals is not a option for me.

Have I misunderstood Friends dating methods? Or are the transcripts in error?

Venelow
Canada


30
Canada / Renseller and Mahlon Irish Mystery - Sons of Peter UEL?
« on: Friday 02 February 18 04:50 GMT (UK)  »
In 1834 Ranseller (Renselear) Irish and Mahlon (Maylon) Irish of Kingston, Upper Canada petitioned for land in Upper Canada. They stated they were sons of Peter Irish UEL and claimed 200 acres apiece as Sons of a United Empire Loyalist. Their Petitions were granted.

Mary Corey Irish, Peter's wife is stated to have been born about 1747 and married at about 18 years in 1765 in the U S.

Peter Irish a Loyalist, formerly of Danby Vermont and born in Dutchess County New York petitioned for land in Upper Canada 1797. He stated he had been in the province of Upper Canada upwards of seven years and provided a list of his unmarried children who were born before 1789. The youngest being Jediah born in 1785. There is no mention of Ranseller or Mahlon so they must have been born after 1789 but before approx 1795 when Mary Corey Irish would be about 48 years old.

Mary is supposed to have died by 1810 and Peter Irish wrote his will in 1810 and died about 1813 at the age of about 70 years. There does not seem to have been another wife.

Does anyone have information on Ranseller or Mahlon?  I have not seen Peter's Will but from information on the internet I understand Ranseller and Mahlon are not mentioned in his Will.

The only Mahlon Irish I have found was a great great grandson of Peter Irish born in Canada in 1859. He was the son of Finley, grandson of Daniel, great grand son of Abraham and great-great grandson of Peter UEL.

Ranseller and Mahlon just seen to disappear after their claims were granted. Did they go to the US?
Or were these fraudulent claims?

Venelow
Canada

31
FH Documents and Artefacts / Abbreviation C.P.
« on: Wednesday 17 January 18 22:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rootschatters

I have a copy of a document, dated 1809, in which the writer signs C.P. after his name. It is in relation to swearing an oath on the veracity of evidence.

The writer states he is one of his Majesty's Justices of the Peace. I don't think he was a Lawyer or Barrister just a local Magistrate. His main occupation was farming.

It is a Canadian document but I believe Upper Canada followed the British legal system.
I would have expected the initials J.P. but it is definitely C.P.  Any ideas?

Venelow
Canada

32
Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Upper Canada Land Petition 1797 - Completed
« on: Tuesday 09 January 18 00:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rootschatters

I'm stuck on the word before "for"

Something   for  200 acres

Any ideas?

Venelow
Canada

33
The Common Room / My Heritage - Contacting members
« on: Tuesday 02 January 18 19:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rootschatters

I found an old message on a genealogy site and would really like to contact the author. After several searches and dead email addresses I have found this person now has a website on My Heritage.

This is stated to be a free site but then I also see complaints about the 14 day trial so I am a bit wary.

If I sign up for a basic membership (for a tree of 250 people) will I be able to contact other members? Or do I actually have to spend money to make contact with another member?

Advice on this point welcome.
Thanks
Venelow

34
Durham / Jane Summerbell of Tyne Dock South Shields, County Durham
« on: Friday 10 November 17 05:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rootschatters

Can anyone help me find a baptism for Jane Summerbell born June Q 1871 in South Shields?

Free BMD has 1871 June Q Summerbell Jane Hardman S S. South Shields Vol 10A page 665

But the New GRO Index that gives Mother's Maiden Surname does not find  any Jane Summerbell in June Q 1871 let alone S. Shields  Vol 10A page 665.

I am amazed at the discrepancy between the GRO and Free BMD especially as Free BMD has a record of the GRO Index on its website that states the exact information given.

Jane marrried  Arthur James H. Midgley in June Q 1897 in the Goole (Yorkshire) District. I have not been able to find the marriage.

I need to know who her parents were.

Many thanks.

Venelow
Canada

35
Occupation Interests / Thames Watermen - Length of Time They Were Bound
« on: Wednesday 20 September 17 23:04 BST (UK)  »
Hi Rootschatters

I have two questions regarding Thames Watermen:

Firstly, I have found a person of interest in the Transcript of the Binding Records (Cottrell). However the date of birth is blank.  I understand that there were affidavits that gave the age and birthplace of the apprentice. If the DOB or YOB is missing does this mean the Affidavit is not available?  Or if it is where would I find it?

Secondly, I have found a Waterman of the same name in the 1827 list whose YOB computes to circa 1788. If they are the same man, that would make him 16 when apprenticed in 1804, so that seems to be possible. However his release date is in 1816 which makes a twelve year period of being bound.  Is this usual for Watermen? 

Since the person I am tracing had a child in 1811 (mother named but marriage not yet found) would he have been able to marry while still bound? Or am I looking at two people with the same name?

I have not mentioned names as it is my understanding that the Binding List transcript is copyright.

Any insight re these questions would be welcome.
Thank you.

Venelow
Canada


36
Hi Roots Chatters

Is anyone familiar with WO116 records? I have located a record for the soldier I am interested in but puzzled by some of the notations. The date of the examination was May 10th 1853 when the subject was stated to be 73 years old.

The Index of 1806 gives his enlistment date as 17th October 1796 and his Regiment was the 49th Foot. Aged 73 years in 1853 computes to a DOB of about 1780.  1853 minus 1796 gives a service length of 57 years joining at about 16 years.
The 49th Foot served in Canada 1802 - 1815 and took part in the War of 1812-1814. He was discharged on June 24th 1815. The cause was stated to be a wound in the right thigh sustained in 1812 but this did not stop him from taking part in a subsequent battle in 1813 for which he received a clasp. He did not return to Great Britain in 1815 but stayed in Canada and appears to have re-enlisted but I have no information on which regiment that would have been. When he died in Canada East in 1861 his burial entry stated he was of the 49th Foot.

The Admission Book mentions he was Fort Sergeant at Coteau du Lac Canada East (Quebec) but does not mention any other regiment. His regimental number for the 49th Foot is not stated.

To look at the records go here: 
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C613536#imageViewerLink
The name is John Scott. Images 81 and 82


Rate of Pension s.     d.  (shillings and pence)
                       0      6  this is crossed out
                       0      1/6  added under the pence column

Does this mean one sixth or 1 shilling and sixpence? Would this be per week or per month?

Under Service it states:              16 yrs ? months  (months illegible)
                            Honourable     3 yrs
                                                 14 yrs  3 months
                                                   "   "
This adds up to approx 48 years. 
What would Honourable mean?

Under Foreign Service:    Station B  30 yrs
                                     Years  12
                                     Months 56

I don't understand what this would mean. 56 months is 4 years and 8 months.

Under Character it appears to give a code - No. 66.  Anyone know what that means?   

Any information on the above queries gratefully received.
Thanks for reading.

Venelow
Canada         

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