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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Acknowledgement and Thanks
« on: Tuesday 17 September 19 12:54 BST (UK)  »
Treetotal and Trishanne - thanks for your good wishes.  I *will* be calling on your collective talents soon!   ;D

jess5athome - I try to remember that "on the internet no-one knows you are a dog", meaning in this case that when face-to-face people can judge your thanks simply by the incredulous gratitude on your face when you open the restored photo, and here they can't unless you tell 'em!  :)

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Suffolk Lookup Requests / Re: Request: Birth William LEADER 1804
« on: Monday 16 September 19 08:53 BST (UK)  »
This is quite old now but as I now have a confirmed christening date of 25 January 1807 for William Leeder/Leader I thought it appropriate to update it here. Our family d.o.b of 1804 from family records and headstone may or may not be right, and the "really big subscription site" members who quote 1809 are not right, but the christening date is confirmed for 1807. The explanation:

"found via "qltn" on the "really big subscription site" shared 13 July 2016 who says "From the parish records of Yaxley Suffolk. 1806 was at the top of the page, 1807 looks like it was added after the recording of the next christening in January as seen in the image." 

The entry reads: "William son of Robt and Margaret Leader late Moy ditto [Jan] 25."

Wm Leader christening.jpg and 1807 William Leader Chr Yaxley.jpg (closeup)."

Unfortunately "qltn" is no longer contactable on the "really big subscription site", but the entry is consistent with microfilmed copies from Yaxley which I have sighted for William and Jane's marriage and other christening entries.

Once again, thank you for all your help for a stuck "newbie" - you were spot on and that gave me the basis to dig down for the originals and then on and on and.... you know! I eventually launched the first version of our family tree on the site in my sig file if you want to check out where it all led.  ;D

De

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Acknowledgement and Thanks
« on: Monday 16 September 19 08:12 BST (UK)  »
And you three - McGrogor, IgorStrav, and artisann - continue the example of generosity as my post wasn't about me (except for context) but you all. But thank you, I have removed all the stressors I could and am dealing the with rest, as we all have to. My replies will usually be "late" as we're 12 hours ahead of the UK here and I work full-time.  :)

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Acknowledgement and Thanks
« on: Sunday 15 September 19 05:33 BST (UK)  »
I want to acknowledge the free and willing assistance the members of RootsChat in general, and this photo dating and restoration forum in particular, give to other folks who are on the Genealogy Quest. The past two years have been extremely stressful on all fronts for me, and there has been little energy left for my “hobby”, and then a software update lost my password to RootsChat (thankfully re-instated by Sarah earlier this year). But I could still *read* this forum, and I have. (I am currently on page 128 - March 2013 - plus a few dips in the late-300’s). This has provided a kind of life-line to a saner and kinder world, and at the same time I have shared the pleasures of watching someone’s ancestors return to life, and learnt much about dating of those ancestors photos. (We will see how much I have learnt in a future post!) I suspect that the “regulars” don’t go back and read all the previous posts so you probably don’t realise the impact you’ve had on so many lives. By reading backwards I have noticed that some of the “newbies” from that time are the restorers and/or confident “daters” of the present. Some of the folks of that period are still doing both now, and some have moved on. You know who you are and I’m not going to risk singling anyone out lest I miss anyone, but your dedication, talent, warmth, and occasional humor is appreciated by many many people. Actually, I am going to single one person out as I was delighted to see the agreed expert on dating (2 1/2” collars = 1908-1912) was also a restorer. 8-)

Thank you all, you are an inspiration and a model of community.

De

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Suffolk / Re: 1851: Meaning of Cripple/Pauper
« on: Friday 09 February 18 01:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks dawnsh - we're sorted.  :)

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Suffolk / Re: 1851: Meaning of Cripple/Pauper
« on: Thursday 08 February 18 09:08 GMT (UK)  »
Paul said:

Quote from: PaulCote23 on Saturday 18 April 15 02:16 BST (UK)
I may be a little late on this thread but I find it very interesting. De Tail in one of her posts mentioned Robert Leeder and Hannah from Rattlesden. I have researched this family for many years. Robert married Hannah Sewell in 1818 in Drinkstone. They came to Canada in 1825, with assisted passage, compliments of the parish of Rattlesden. They are the Leeders mentioned as living in Escott and Yonge Townships in Leeds County. This Robert was originally from Elmswell. His great grandfather, Thomas, moved to Elmswell about 1717 and married an Elmswell girl, Ann Markall. He was originally from the village of North Lopham just over the border in Norfolk. I can trace the Lopham Leeders back to the early 1500s.

As mentioned, there were several Leeder families that immigrated to Canada. I've tried to see if I could connect those families to mine but haven't had much luck. Looking at trees on ancestry it appears their descendents aren't really sure where their Leeders originated. From the Canadian census records I'm aware of the ones you have mentioned, including Robert and Jane.

Based on my research, though, it seems that a large majority of the English Leeders started in western Norfolk. That seems to be where the name is most common. Although it isn't a common name there are just enough to cause a lot of confusion.

Paul

I have spent considerable time in tracking down and trying to eliminate all Joshua Leeder/Leaders in England who weren't the pauper/cripple who apparently went to Canada. In the end, and in trying to trace the parents of Robert Leader/Leader bap. 1766, I have ended up working on what has become a "reconstruction of families" exercise and I only wish I had remembered what Paul said back then! He's quite right, all links *seem* to lead north! At this rate I'm going to end up with a one-name study!

"They" did try to warn me that this is a potentially addictive hobby!  ;D

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Suffolk / Re: 1851: Meaning of Cripple/Pauper
« on: Thursday 08 February 18 08:58 GMT (UK)  »
Good Evening all and Happy New Year!

It's quite awhile since I've been back here and there's been a lot of progress in the research on my Leader/Leeder and Aldrich/Aldrige line. Despite a *lot* of work, I still can't determine the Cripple/Pauper meaning so will have to wait for parish records to go online - if any survive from Yaxley.

Joshua Leeder b. 1831, Yaxley, Suffolk and his Irish Elizabeth/Mary Elizabeth Armstrong b 1832 (resident 1861 onwards in Amaranth, Dufferin, Ontario, Canada) remain frustratingly elusive with respect to where they got married (not the 1860 Hartismere record!) I can see why other Canadian branches of the family have claimed them.

However: major success with finally tracking down William Leeder/Leader's birth in Yaxley. Turned out to be either 1806 or 1807** - January 25, in Yaxley, and the record clearly confirms that Robert Leader and his wife Margaret late Moy are the parents. That confirms the help which you all gave in pointing me in the right direction.

Our Family Tree is online on my website and this is regularly updated - please see Profile for URL.

Once again - Many Thanks for helping a then Newbie.  :D

** 1806 at top of page and 1807 inserted later - with thanks to JoAnn Clark.

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Suffolk / Re: Any Knowledge of this Ipswich Photographer
« on: Thursday 20 August 15 12:19 BST (UK)  »
Hi - found this in passing and may well be too late. But: if you have access to that big commercial site, check out gnboreham's family tree - photo of Fred and Charlotte Leader and family has a strong resemblance.

De

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Suffolk / Re: 1851: Meaning of Cripple/Pauper
« on: Thursday 20 August 15 11:54 BST (UK)  »
Hi Paul - I'm a bit late on your bit late, but interested in your post. I'm now reasonably confident that my William's father was Robert Leeder bap. Thrandeston 23/11/1766, first marriage Hannah Keeley on 30/01/1787 (bur. 26/12/1788). Robert and Hannah had a son John (bur. 03/03/1789).

Robert's second marriage was with  Margaret Moy (b abt 1770) 03/11/1789, both marriages in Yaxley. They had William (b 18/06/1796, d. 6 days later), Mary b? (bur. 13/03/1798), Sarah b 07/05/1799, Susan b 30/08/1801, Henry b 17/09/1809.  I still haven't found William's record, but our family date is 1804 which fits the sequence.

[Robert's parents seem to be Robert b. abt 1728 Thrandeston and Sarah b.abt 1730. His siblings are Jonathan 1769, Jane 1770, and possibly Sarah 1753, Elizabeth 1755, Mary 1757, making Robert the middle child.]

Establishing these started with the help from the good people on this forum - for which major thanks - and then I have Census and other data, so as I say reasonably confident.

I still haven't found immigration dates but they must be between 1851 and 1861 based on the Censuses.

I'm also still head-banging about Joshua the "pauper/cripple" as the Joshua in Canada is married to an Irish Elizabeth, not the English Elizabeth Robinson from Yaxley (m. 1860). I suspect that this Joshua and Elizabeth stayed in England as the transformation is otherwise huge. I've also got a Joshua's Probate to the widow Elizabeth in 1873, but it's in Holburn, Middlesex and that sounds a bit far afield. (If it is them they had five children 1861 - 1868).

Anyone know if Elizabeth Robinson in Yaxley was Irish? (Or, did Joshua actually marry Amelia Baker - Hartismere 4a613 - if so the joke is on everyone who's put Amaranth Joshua in their tree!)

De

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