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World War One / Re: ww1 killed relative
« on: Wednesday 09 October 19 09:11 BST (UK)  »
I am beginning to think Ernest  died after the war so i have had a thorough check on the details in my tree.
I have come across his death in 1974 in Sandwell,does any one agree

I think your Ernest survived the war! You would need a death certificate to see if the parents names matched Charles Lissimores parents, William and Elizabeth.

He might even be in this newspaper article
"Mr. Ernest Lissimore a tireless Quest for West Bromwich history
Mr. Ernest Lissimore a tireless Quest for West Bromwich history. registers of All Saints' Church"
Monday 20 March 1967
Birmingham Daily Post

Was Ernest Lissimore married to Jennie E Whitehouse in 1914 in West Bromwich?

Jennie Lissimore is buried in Heath Lane cemetery in Sandwell

Added they are both in the 1939 register on Findmypast living at 9 Ebrington Road, West Bromwich C.B

World War One / Re: ww1 killed relative
« on: Monday 07 October 19 09:54 BST (UK)  »
There is another Ernest though .. this one has a medal card - spelling different

Medal card of Lissemore, Ernest
Regiment No
Worcestershire Regiment
Royal Munster Fusiliers
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew.

So this Ernest might well of survived WW1, who were this Ernest's parents?

As for WW1 records many of them were actually destroyed in the Blitz, so a medal car might be all you can find for a surviving man

I also have information that he was possibly living with John and Bertha Bamford in Luck Lane, Marsh, Huddersfield and have his baptism certificate with them being named as parent's.

Who was this John Bamford, what was his age?
Was he the father of Wright Bamford?
Or was he the brother of Wright Bamford?

What happened to the three girls, did she manage to keep them or were they adopted out too?

Which John Bamford she was living with is relevant because if it was her father in law they may have been struggling and he just could provide for them all. If it was her brother in law he may have been off to marry his sweetheart and didn't want to continue helping.

John Bamford may have lent his name to Bertha Bamford to have a the fathers name or he might actually be the father.

DNA from decendants of the 3 girls could be useful because matrilineal is supposed to be really strong. If would prove if Lily was Bertha, or Bertha's sister.

Travelling People / Re: Travellers Lindsay and Lowder
« on: Friday 04 October 19 07:51 BST (UK)  »
Then you have this family in 1881 in Dorking (Could be the relatives of Frederick W Young that James Lowder pulled from that lake)

Henry Lowder, 35, Surrey
Alice Lowder, 33, London
Alice Lowder, 14, Dorking, Surrey, England
George Lowder, 12, Surrey
Edith Lowder, 9, Surrey
Federick Lowder, 7, Surrey
Charlotte Lowder, 4, Kent

GRO Reference: 1886  J Quarter in TUNBRIDGE  Volume 02A  Page 696

and at Reigate

GRO Reference: 1881  S Quarter in REIGATE  Volume 02A  Page 165
Henry Lowders wife was Alice Young
FamilySearch says
Edith Lowder
28 August 1881
St Matthew, Redhill, Surrey, England
father: Henry Lowder
mother: Alice

Travelling People / Re: Travellers Lindsay and Lowder
« on: Thursday 03 October 19 22:11 BST (UK)  »
Here is Flora in the free 1881 census in Redhill, Surrey

James Lowder 33 born Dorking
Eliza Lowder 33 born Redhill
Alice Lowder 11 born Redhill
Flora Lowder 8 (1873) born Redhill
Charles H Lowder 3 born Redhill
John L Kent, Lodger, 14 born Redhill

Here is her Gro registration
GRO Reference: 1873  J Quarter in REIGATE UNION  Volume 02A  Page 141

So her mother was Eliza Kent, maybe this family are related to Clara Lowder in some way?

Added could Eliza Lowder (nee Kent) be Clara's mother? After all Clara is born one year after the census?

Travelling People / Re: Travellers Lindsay and Lowder
« on: Thursday 03 October 19 21:20 BST (UK)  »
"Bridget Lowder, of Grove Road, Redhill, was summoned for being drunk and disorderly on May 26th (1900), and resisting P.G. Arnold whilst in the execution of his duty." Newspaper was the Surrey Mirror.

"Reigate Borough Police ...…  James Lowder, of ? Road, Redhill. was brought a warrant charged with deserting his wife and causing her be chargeable …..  Lowder was sent prison for 14 days."  23 November 1900, Surrey Mirror.

If you sign up and get the three free articles here you can read them

Just search for Lowder and restrict the search area to Surrey.

James Lowder and William Kent of Earlswood charged with stealing swedes 1880
George Constable and James Lowder, labourers, of Earlswood charged with cutting underwood 1885
James Lowder at Earlswood (near Redhill) bravely pulling a Frederik W Young from a lake 1895
A young boy Thomas Lowder in court for cutting down a tree to make darts 1888
Flora Lowder being assaulted by a man and losing a case 1889
Thomas Collins, Daniel Ayres, in Groveroad with  ? Lowder in 1900 fighting
Thomas Lowder, a tramp, of no fixed abode 1901

Travelling People / Re: Travellers Lindsay and Lowder
« on: Thursday 03 October 19 20:34 BST (UK)  »
That is what I can gather, I don't have the information but running my Theory I would say it is Lowder

Is this Clara's birth registration at Reigate, Surrey?

LOWDER, CLARA    (mothers maiden name was blank) 
GRO Reference: 1882  J Quarter in REIGATE  Volume 02A  Page 164

Antrim / Re: Death Announcement 1924 Northern Consitution
« on: Thursday 03 October 19 20:17 BST (UK)  »
If he died in 1924, wouldn't you have to order a death certificate from NI direct, since privacy laws would apply to him until 2024?

Cavan / Re: Little Family
« on: Thursday 03 October 19 07:30 BST (UK)  »
I wonder if the Henry Marshall in Tithe Applotments farming 4 acres at Ballybay in Monaghan in 1829 is a relative of Elizabeth Marshall born in 1830.

Her farther perhaps? If they are Presbyterian finding their records online would be hard.

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