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Europe / Re: Germany - records for Schwerin, Mecklenburg
« on: Sunday 27 September 20 16:03 BST (UK) »
My maternal Grandfather is from the Mecklenburg Schwerin line if you still need contact.s
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The Common Room / List of 1930s Communist Movement Members
« on: Monday 30 March 20 23:18 BST (UK) »
Long Shot. Trying to track down a woman who was an active member of the Communist party in the 1930s and also involved with a speaker at Speakers Corner. Won't go into names at this stage as this is for a friend but is there anywhere you can point us to find a list if such a thing exists. Not holding out much hope but have looked it up and see there was not a huge membership. Thank you for reading.
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Surrey / Re: Assisi Mother & Baby Homes
« on: Wednesday 04 December 19 10:38 GMT (UK) »Hello. I am a volunteer researcher for an adoption agency who carries out searches on behalf of adopted adults trying to trace birth family. I have a particularly difficult search at thee moment on behalf of an adopted adult with some life-limiting health issues. Your posts from a few years ago show you had an interest in the mother and baby home in Churt. The place my adopted adult was born was called The Grange, which was in Hindhead and Churt, according to the birth certificate. This seems to be extremely close to the home you talked about in your posts. My question to you is whether the home you refer to could have gone under the name of The Grange, and whether they may be one and the same? I would appreciate any information you can offer. Many thanks. Gail B.
Hi Gail, sorry not able to answer your questions but also interested in the location. I was also born at The Grange (1947)and keep wondering the same. I have a postcard sent from there that I found online. Would be very interested to know if it is the same place.
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Travelling People / Bertram Mills Circus post-war Sept/Oct 1946 - would they hire fairground workers
« on: Wednesday 27 November 19 10:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi, have several posts on here as searching for my bio father (probably long-gone). I and newfound paternal 2nd cousins have discovered many showground family names amongst the dna matches. I have been researching fairgrounds around my conception time (Sept/Oct 1946). I have just spoken with a new Ancestry person in that world who suggested a Circus... I looked and found that Bertram Mills Circus returned for first time after war around Sept/Oct 1946. What's more, they toured in the area where my Mother had been a Land girl - i.e. Bulwick area. (Northamptonshire area). I wonder if she encountered my father at the circus? She might have had my then 6 year old brother with her. (Not putting that very nicely - sorry Mum - she was a very proper person!)... but could that be the connection. Would the circus hire fairground workers? Would anyone still remember those days? And I'll just throw in a curved ball... all the info I have about my unknown Dad is that he was a "friend of the family and POW" which may well have been made up but...you never know. Any thoughts gratefully received. We have already cracked one puzzle on here.
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Travelling People / Re: Alice Maud Mitchell / Charles Burrows Norwood
« on: Thursday 12 September 19 16:06 BST (UK) »Hoping everyone can read this.. just to give you an update. I have contacted a relative of Cyril and Charles Burrows (pretty sure these are the right family... well certain really!). They are going to provide a dna test which will show my new cousin Lynne's relationship to Cyril (should be her Gt Uncle) and Charles (should be her Granddad). The latter may not be so as he may not be the Charles Burrows on the birth certificate and living at 3 Addlestone Road in South Norwood as a Grocer, with Alice Burrows (nee Mitchell).To anyone who was so helpful to us earlier on - to update you, the Burrows family dna test came back recently and at 178 cms means that LB my newfound cousin, is highly unlikely to be related to the Burrows family. (I have put another thread on the DNA forum which was very helpful with this). A Mitchell brother married a Burrows sister and Alice Mitchell married Cyril Burrrows. The dna test was given by a descendent of the M brother and B sister. I did not come up on the match at all which we would have anticipated if I had any Burrows dna. My new cousin has only 178 despite the double genes. So we think we have confirmed the Alice Mitchell GrandMum (found,thanks to you on here!) -but Iris Ina's father is probably not a Burrows... And on we go. I hope this isn't too confusng as you are not 'living it'. Will keep you posted. Prue
I can imagine that you lovely researchers don't hold the initial information in your memory and will have forgotten most of this story but, just in case you can...! I will keep you posted. We wouldn't be at this stage without you. Once we have determined Lynne's grandfather, we can find a link to mine (with a bit of luck!). Thanks everyone. Prue
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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA test - can anyone unravel this conundrum please?
« on: Tuesday 10 September 19 22:22 BST (UK) »Prue, You may think you have outruled Burrows, but as C is descended from parents of Will Mitchell, you should share DNA with him if you are 2nd cousins. To me, that says you have to outrule Mitchell as well. However, you presumably have other evidence to back this up.
Wait for closer matches - they will probably come along sooner or later.
See if LB, C and you are willing to upload to Gedmatch, familytreeDNA and myheritageDNA.
Lower the parameters at Gedmatch and myheritage to see if you can see any match between C and yourself at all.
Try out What are the odds? - unlikely to provide an answer, but may give some clues.
Good luck in your quest.
Regards Margaret
Amended - See Craclyn's reply. Upload to other sites but don't alter any parameters. Margaret
Thank you for your help. i think this shows that only LB is related and therefore, as her second cousin, the relative is not linked to eithere of our fathers. So the link is her Grandmother, Mitchell. Think you and I may be saying the same thing! I feel we have already taken lots of advantage of the C and family so don't want to go the GED route. LB and I are already on there. Onwards and upwards... will keep you posted if anything exciting happens/any breakthroughs...
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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA test - can anyone unravel this conundrum please?
« on: Tuesday 10 September 19 12:34 BST (UK) »Prue, From the information you have given, I can see no evidence that the three of you are descended from the same common great grandparents, parents of the Mitchell ladies and Burrow men. But you presumably have further info to prove the connection?
You and LB share sufficient DNA with each other to appear as 2nd cousins, average 233 cMs, range 46 - 515 cMs according to DNA painter.
Neither of you know who your great grandparents were, you have no idea at all, LB thinks she might know.
Margaret, very grateful for your taking the time to think this through.
1. LB and I are are 411cms match - so match your cousin number. Definitely paternal as she doesn't match my maternal side.
2. It seems, from the C DNA test that we have the right 'Alice Mitchell' at long last - supported by other information LB already had.
3. I think I understand you right that this latest DNA test - from C - proably confirms 'Alice Mitchell' as LB's Grandmother. However, with no match to me, combined with a lower number test, probably no Burrows connection for LB or me.
4.So the missing link is the man who fathered LB's mother in 1923 and the man who fathered me in 1947 only we don't have 'Burrows' as a possible anymore.. despite it being on LB's Mum's Birth Certificate and over the shop AM was living in at the time of conception of baby IB, LB's Mum.
So now, as you say, we have to wait and hope for a new closer match. If anything else occurs to you meanwhile - unlikely, I know, with all the other things you've got on... would love to hear. Meanwhile, I will keep doing yoga to make sure I'm still here when the answer is found!!
Prue
LB and 'C' share 172 cms, clearly enough to be 2nd cousins, though there are other possibilities. You share no DNA with C.
It is highly unlikely that 2nd cousins share no DNA at all, especially given the 'brother marry sister' scenario you have given.
I may be wrong, but don't forget you have 8 great grandparents, you could match LB on any of those lines.
If you wish to pursue this theory, you will definitely be helping LB, but not necessarily yourself. You cannot provide any other testers at this stage, you may be able to later if a closer match to you turns up. LB might have some known paper trail relatives who could test.
You could look online to see who else is descended from these two couples, ask them to test.
Look at shared matches rather than unshared matches. Look at Common surnames and places in your matches. Divide your results into definite maternals matches and possible paternal matches.
One day, you may get that magic match who turns out to be more closely related than 2nd cousin. A match of mine discovered who his probable grandfather was on the day he got his results back. Still awaiting confirmation, a cousin of mine has tested, results due the end of this month.
Regards Margaret
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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA test - can anyone unravel this conundrum please?
« on: Monday 09 September 19 17:50 BST (UK) »Alice Mitchell married to Cyril Burrows Both siblings from same families.
Will Mitchell married to Sarah Burrows
A current descendent of AM (LB) is trying to determine if AM is her Grandmother and whether it was a Burrows who was her Grandfather (probably not Cyril).
A descendent of Will and Sarah has taken a DNA test. The match with LB shows 172 cm.
Can't see any recognisable names in their shared matches. (The locations suggest to me they may be Mitchell). We really need to rule out or in Burrows to get past our brick wall.
Is there any way we can untangle this problem or do we need to hunt down another relative to get a DNA test. Any help very much appreciated. (I have minimal DNA knowledge).
A descendant of AM is either daughter, grandaughter etc of AM by definition. If AM could be her grandmother, why could Cyril not be her grandfather?
The descendant of WM and SB who matches 172 cMs - who do they match with, you or the other descendant? Have you had DNA testing?
Sorry to ask so many questions, but just want to clarify.
Regards Margaret
Margaret - you can never ask to many questions.. trust me! Thanks for responding.
1. Alices Granddaughter, LB, has taken a dna test but she didn't know who her Grandmother was (although had her name and vague details). Her Grandfather is also unknown but she has the name 'Charles Burrows' on her Mum's Birth Certificate.
2. The DNA match is with the descendent, LB. LB is 2nd cousin level match with me but I do not match with this 172 cm.
2. Thanks to some great help from a DNA Detective and Rootschat, we have found Alice Mitchell and built a family tree.
3. She was married to a Cyril Burrows. But they separated after having 2 children (1 died young, the other died with no children). LB's Mum was born after the WW1, later than the other two and when she had separated from Cyril. So we doubt he is the missing Granddad 'aka Charles'
4. Cyril had several brothers, as well as William above, including one called Charles - could he have been the father?
5. I am looking for my bio father (late in life) and have a newly found 2nd cousin - LB (Alice's descendent referred to above). We think if we can crack LB's tribe, we can find a link to my bio father.
There is a long, history revealing thread elsewhere on rootschat from earlier this year but we hit a new brick wall! Would like to resolve before I fall off my perch! Hope this is clear enough.
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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / DNA test - can anyone unravel this conundrum please?
« on: Monday 09 September 19 17:15 BST (UK) »
Alice Mitchell married to Cyril Burrows Both siblings from same families.
Will Mitchell married to Sarah Burrows
A current descendent of AM is trying to determine if AM is her Grandmother and whether it was a Burrows who was her Grandfather (probably not Cyril).
A descendent of Will and Sarah has taken a DNA test. The match shows 172 cm.
Can't see any recognisable names in shared matches. (The locations suggest to me they may be Mitchell). We really need to rule out or in Burrows to get past our brick wall.
Is there any way we can untangle this problem or do we need to hunt down another relative to get a DNA test. Any help very much appreciated. (I have minimal DNA knowledge).
Will Mitchell married to Sarah Burrows
A current descendent of AM is trying to determine if AM is her Grandmother and whether it was a Burrows who was her Grandfather (probably not Cyril).
A descendent of Will and Sarah has taken a DNA test. The match shows 172 cm.
Can't see any recognisable names in shared matches. (The locations suggest to me they may be Mitchell). We really need to rule out or in Burrows to get past our brick wall.
Is there any way we can untangle this problem or do we need to hunt down another relative to get a DNA test. Any help very much appreciated. (I have minimal DNA knowledge).