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Travelling People / Re: drakeley - fairground/coal merchants
« on: Sunday 26 August 18 11:22 BST (UK)  »
I have a number of Drakelys in my tree that could fit the information that you give above.  Once you have made a few more posts we can exchange private messages and I can send you copies.  Meanwhile can you narrow the field a little by providing a few dates and places.  In particular do you know the names of any of John's siblings.

Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Rachel Fitch? Odd baptism age. Look up please
« on: Sunday 05 August 18 10:35 BST (UK)  »
The baptism date is entirely consistent with her parents being members of a non-conformist (baptist) church.  In fact it corresponds almost exactly with my own baptism age.

The other possibility is that she was simply not baptised but when she wanted to be married or confirmed this had to be corrected.

You may find some joy with regard to her parents by looking at non-conformist records as for example baptist churches did record births in their records.

Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Identification of an unknown coat of arms
« on: Saturday 26 May 18 12:15 BST (UK)  »
What is on top of the shield?  Is that a crown or is there a helmet?  Is there a crest?  A cest is a major help in identification.

The Common Room / Re: Old 3 digit UK Telephone numbers.
« on: Tuesday 17 April 18 12:29 BST (UK)  »
When we moved into our house nearly fifty years ago we had a four digit telephone number.  Those four digits are still the final digits of what is now an eleven digit number.  The extra digits were added gradually over the years

Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Wokingham baptisms
« on: Thursday 30 March 17 13:53 BST (UK)  »
Six parishes to the east and south of Reading were peculiars of the Dean of Sarum.  Sonnng, Hurst, Wokingham, Sandhurst, Ruscombe and Arborfield.  These were transferred to the diocese of Oxford in 1844 and at that time became part of Berkshire. There  is an old boundary stone opposite the main entrance to All Saints Church in the centre of Wokingham which marks the boundary between Berkshire and this disjointed part of Wiltshire.   

Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Wokingham baptisms
« on: Wednesday 29 March 17 13:28 BST (UK)  »
You cannot assume that in 1841 Wokingham was part of Berkshire.  At that time it was partly in Wiltshire and you need to look there for baptism records.

Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Hey Behindthefrogs, my coat of arms there
« on: Saturday 25 March 17 17:26 GMT (UK)  »
I have no knowledge at all about the Banton ancestors.  I have a number of Roger Edlyns but none who I can safely link into any of the families.  Does yours have a link?

Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Hey Behindthefrogs, my coat of arms there
« on: Thursday 23 March 17 13:03 GMT (UK)  »
I never actually met Crolian and at the time I corresponded with him he was very elderly and not very open to debate about the family.  He did however transcribe many pages of his notes which formed a useful basis for my knowledge of the family.

Refering to your reply.  I have a further child for Philip's father Richard.

William, Tallow Chandler12 (possibly master) the youngest son of Richard lived at Pinner Place and died 2 May 1627 (or 1668?). His son William lived in Pinner Place until he died in 1692. In 1708 when Martha Richmond was executrix and residual legatee of his will which left lands in Harrow there was still an outstanding decree in Chancery in consideration of £2028.5s owed to creditors .  Martha, one of two daughters of William the younger, the widow of a London apothecary named Richard Richmond, inherited Marlepits from her father and also purchased the adjoining Waxwell Farm9 and also Marlepit Wood which was later known as Batemanís Wood after it passed to her daughter Lucy who married a Bateman.   In 1681 William made a marriage settlement on Martha and Richard Richmond of Campions Farm with 22 Acres in Green Street and a 3 acre meadow called Stranges or Little Stranges all in the parish of Ridge. A tablet in Pinner Church shows that she died on 14th December 1725 age 66 and is buried in the Aubrey Vault along with her daughter Elizabeth Aubrey who died two years earlier15.  Williamís other daughter Hannah married John Kirton.3 Mar 1685/6.

It is interesting that many of the family members can be confirmed by the various properties that they owned and were passed on in their wills.  In this particular case the ownership of Marlpits can be tracnd through many generations.

Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Hey Behindthefrogs, my coat of arms there
« on: Wednesday 22 March 17 13:39 GMT (UK)  »
As you already know the first set of arms were granted to Crolian Edelen in 1962.  The cross according to Crolian with whom I corresponded for a number of years, was added at the time of the grant to difference them from the original arms of the Middlesex Edlins.  The cross was taken from the arms of the Offley family.  Catherine Offley was the mother of Richard Edelen who emigrated to Maryland in 1663.  The Edelen spelling of the name, as used uniquely in the USA, was also believed to have been derived from Catherine's Germanic spelling of the name reflecting her German upbringing.

Your second shield which bears the single cross I have never come across before.  I suspect from the Edelen spelling of the name that it was created by someone in the USA and has not been granted by the College of Arms.  The use of a second helmet as the crest is also very unusual.  I have come across the crest on that second helmet somewhere but have been unable to recall where.

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