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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Bondarczuk or Bondar family
« on: Monday 14 July 14 13:46 BST (UK)  »
However you still need to be aware that coats of arms belong to individuals and their direct descendants.  Having a particular surname does not entitle any individual to use a coat of arms.  How far the entitlement spreads within a family varies from country to country.  They are often wrongly referred to as crests, which is mainly an American habit.  The crest sits on the helmet within a coat of arms but is sometimes used on cutlery and other items where there is not room for the full coat of arms.

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Lincolnshire Lookup Requests / Re: Who became vicars in mid 18th century?
« on: Tuesday 13 May 14 14:05 BST (UK)  »
When both partners give the same address on a marriage this is often a "suitcase" address adopted for the purpose of the banns and one at which neither of them lived.  It fairly certainly indicates that one if not both of the partners lived outside the parish in which they were married.

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Somerset / Re: Henry Hobbs b 1820-22 Bridgewater Somerset
« on: Saturday 03 May 14 11:28 BST (UK)  »
Do you mean Bridgwater in Somerset or one of the Bridgewaters elsewhere in the country?

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Occupation Interests / Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
« on: Friday 18 April 14 10:45 BST (UK)  »
The boot and shoe museum in Northampton had a huge card index of shoemakers.  Des anyone know if that has been computerized and put online?

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Free family crest downloads
« on: Tuesday 25 March 14 11:06 GMT (UK)  »
If you are entitled to use a coat of arms, you should be able to trace your family back to someone who was granted that coat of arms.  If you can't then it is probable that there is no coat of arms which you are entitled to use.

These companies that provide these coats of arms either free or more probably sell them have simply found some with the same or a similar name who was granted a coat of arms.  You have no entitlement to use them even if they sell them to you.

The crest which sits on top of the helmet in a coat of arms is similarly a personal emblem although the inheritance is sometimes different.  Crests by themselves are often used on items like cutlery where there is no room for a coat of arms.

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Having looked at a number of possibilities for this coat of arms I am a little confused by the crest for which I haven't found a match.  The examples that I have found either have the camel's head crest coloured gold, or ostrich feathers in its mouth, or both. Also harnessed or not. How does this fit with the full coats of arms which you have found?  These variations may help with your problem as they are the sort of change that may have occured on marriage.  Unfortunately the variations that I found lead me no closer than London and Surrey.

I see that you quote a motto of "Temperence patience and perseverance".  Is this relevant?  As its origin may give other clues.

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London and Middlesex / Re: "of this parish" - rock solid, or moveable feast?
« on: Wednesday 05 March 14 14:51 GMT (UK)  »
In 1813 preprinted parish register baptism books were introduced.  These had no space for a date of birth, and so while some information was improved the birth date was lost.

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London and Middlesex / Re: "of this parish" - rock solid, or moveable feast?
« on: Wednesday 05 March 14 12:52 GMT (UK)  »
Our ancestors lived in what is now the London Borough of Hillingdon.  Many of them were married in London usually in the Paddington area.  The addresses on their marriage certificates showed them both living at the same Paddington address.  As they were known to be employed in the Hillingdon area these were clearly "suitcase" addresses.  Suitcase because residence was established by leaving a suitcase at the address while not actually living there.

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London and Middlesex / Re: "of this parish" - rock solid, or moveable feast?
« on: Wednesday 05 March 14 11:02 GMT (UK)  »
Perhaps it was a prettier church away from the prying eyes of their neighbours.  People chose their churches to be married in then in the same way as they chose their places of marriage today.  It was easy enough to establish a "suitcase" place of residence so that the banns could be called.

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