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Completed Census Requests / Re: Need help to find the elusive Thomas Ives
« on: Friday 16 September 05 22:32 BST (UK)  »
I have a horrible feeling that you are chasing information badly recorded in the census.

If you assume that Waltham Abbey is a correct birth place for Allen then it is not too difficult to see Abbey misread or misheard as Armley.  With the wife declaring herself from Easton the second mistake could have been made.  Have you looked at the original handwritten return or are you relying on transcriptions?  Could Allen read and write?  Do you have any evidence whether he could sign his name?

A country accent from Waltham Abbey could easily be misinterpreted in Islington, and a huntingdon accent of the time even more likely.

Just another thought.


Northamptonshire / Re: Shoemaker apprenticeships Wellingborough
« on: Friday 16 September 05 21:32 BST (UK)  »
If you are still looking have you tried the Shoemakers list held at Northampton Museum.  When these were at the old Guildhall museum they were very responsive to postal inquiries.

Completed Census Requests / Re: Chatsworth Employees
« on: Friday 16 September 05 15:39 BST (UK)  »
Stancliffe Hall now a boys school appears to have been owned by the the Whitworth family (of bolts fame) around the right time.  However this doesn't give me a London link.

Thanks for the link Hackstaple but it only gives me the tourist blurb which is where I always get stuck with Chatsworth.


Completed Census Requests / Re: Chatsworth Employees
« on: Friday 16 September 05 14:52 BST (UK)  »
Hi Spendlove,

Thank you for your reply.  Sorry I should have said Duke of Devonshire that was a slip of the brain.  What I find it difficult to explain is how someone who was a professional gardener in the London area should meet and marry a woman from Derbyshire of the same profession.  Unless they were both employed by someone who had houses in both places with big enough estates.  Hence my fishing for Chatsworth (which incidently is also the family rumour for whatever that is worth).

 I will try to find out the owners of Whitworth Hall to see if that is a possibility.  A move to the Disley area in the 1890s also leads to further speculation but as you say I am probably miles off course.


Leicestershire / Re: Freeman of the Borough of Leicester
« on: Thursday 15 September 05 22:37 BST (UK)  »
Have you tried the records office at Wigston they have information there. Or you could try Martin Hagger, clerk of the board at Leicester freemens estate, 32 Freemens Holt, Old Church Street, Aylestone, Leicester, LE2 8NH. Tel.0116-2834017.

Please note that this information is about two years old as it dates from when I was looking for a Leicester Freeman.


Buckinghamshire / Re: Calverton
« on: Thursday 15 September 05 22:17 BST (UK)  »
Calverton has a church.  The parish registers from 1559 to 1942 are held at Buckingham Record Office in Aylesbury



Buckinghamshire / Re: Eggleton, East and Wooster Families
« on: Thursday 15 September 05 22:10 BST (UK)  »
I don't know precisely where your Eggletons were located but I have examples in the mid and late 18th century of the names Eggleton and Edlin being used interchangeably.  this was happening in the Basildon area of Berkshire and north into Oxfordshire.



Derbyshire / Re: Anyone know about Partington-Olive Papermaking in Glossop?
« on: Thursday 15 September 05 21:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi Keith, 

My ancestors were Papermakers just down the road at Chinley.  I don't recognise the company that you are looking for.  However a few thoughts.

In the 19th century papermakers used rags and waste from the cotton industry.  They also used a very similar bleaching process and so don't ignore the cotton industry in your search. 

I know the Whitehall Mill at Chinley switched a couple of times between paper making and cotton dying.

Fifteen years ago I was in contact with Jean Stirk who was building a register of Papermakers.  I don't know if it still exists.  If you are back in the mid 19th century it is also worth looking for the records of "The Original Society of Papermakers" where you might locate an ancestor.



Completed Census Requests / Chatsworth Employees-COMPLETE THANK YOU
« on: Thursday 15 September 05 21:06 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone have access to anyrecord of Chatsworth employees.  One of my ancestors was Edward Francis Mills born Stoke Newington 1844.  He married Mary Elizabeth Vicars born Darley Dale.  They were both described as Gardeners or Nurserymen in various certificates and Censuses.  In 1872 they were living in Park Place Whitton but a year later they were back in Darley Dale.

I am speculating that they were in the employ of the Duke of Northumberland and moving between Chiswick House and Chatsworth.

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