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The Common Room / Re: Marriage licences, why they were obtained, and their cost
« on: Thursday 15 February 24 13:37 GMT (UK)  »
You will find a summary of Licenses etc in the introductory pages of Report of the Royal Commission on the Laws of Marriage, 1868.The Registrar General's Annual or decennial reports also tabulated the numbers of the various forms at times, they are online on internet archive, google etc. Below is clipping I saved at one stage.

The Church of England's page gives contemporary information description on Licences vs Banns if scroll down to the sections https://www.churchofengland.org/life-events/your-church-wedding/just-engaged

A Licence or Certificate was a pre-requirement for marriage in Non-Conformist places of Worship eg where the attendance of a Registrar was required.

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Antrim / Re: Watters-Lowry family, Antrim Co.
« on: Wednesday 14 February 24 20:26 GMT (UK)  »
Bushmills has not changed counties, same then as now, google will assist you.
The records are on microfilm and have to be loaded and scrolled through individually reading the names. The old registers for Billy Church of Ireland were lost in the Dublin Record Office fire 1922 and some of the nearby Presbyterian churches do not have registers old enough (the churches are). You could end up with a large bill and nothing to show for it.
These are the Co. Antrim churches that have been transcribed on RootsIreland
https://rootsireland.ie/antrim/online-sources.php
and this pdf the guide to church record coverage https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/guide-church-records
Look under Billy and Dunluce the Civil Parishes Bushmills town is in.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/ANT/Billy

If you think she was the daughter of a minister than joining the Presbyterian Historical Society of Ireland may be worthwhile so you can consult the Minister Lists https://presbyterianhistoryireland.com/web-resources/minister-lists-fasti/
Toberkeigh (1830) & Croaghmore in Ballintoy parish are as close as Mosside.

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Armagh / Re: HOLLYWOOD family
« on: Friday 02 February 24 18:43 GMT (UK)  »
Julie you are responding to an old post. By clicking on a persons name you can see details about them and kerleykins has not posted on the site since 1 Sep 2012.
R.C. parish baptisms and marriage up to 1880 are all now on Ancestry, Findmypast (free collection), and index the images on NLI. The start date of the parish information remains the same however 1845.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0220
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Roman-Catholic-baptism.html
A Thomas Hollywood being on Griffiths Valuation in Carrive 1864 and died 1907 aged 78
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01syx/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Forkhill/Carriff/1032800/

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The Common Room / Re: Matchett Heritage - Armagh County
« on: Tuesday 30 January 24 15:11 GMT (UK)  »
You will certainly find Matchetts, including a Richard on FAG in St Paul's, Tartaraghan
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/263036832/richard-matchett and on Billiongraves
https://billiongraves.com/cemetery/St-Pauls-Church-Tartaraghan/300906
Also in Milltown https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/178718312/richard-matchett
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/IRL/ARM/Tartaraghan/MilltownStAndrew
Cloncore being here and Clonmakate nearby
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-west/tartaraghan/tartaraghan/cloncore/

Matchetts can also be found in Drumcree (Portadown) and Lurgan.
There will be many more interred without headstones eg my gt-gt-grandmother from Lurgan was a Matchett whom I suspect was illegitimate and invented a father Henry on her marriage 1875 in Lurgan, no memorial for her sister, or her mother 1890/91; she was interred in Belfast 1916 in a plot purchased by a daughter & her husband but the headstone not erected till 1958 when the next generation were interred in it.

Note on your 1854 marriage Robert and Sarah marked X rather then signing. That was used by the GRO to gather statistics and chart the improvement in education annually and through the decades. Not as accurate as eg the 1901 & 1911 census which asked if could read only, could read and write, or neither. If the latter they could not read an inscription on a headstone.
In 1854 26% of men and 43.6% of the woman signed the marriage registrar by marking X. In 1864 it was 61.4 & 49.7. 1880 73.8 & 69.1 and 1890 79.6 & 79.1 (equal now for both sexes) reflecting the establishment of National Schools, and supposed compulsory attendance.

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The Common Room / Re: Matchett Heritage - Armagh County
« on: Monday 29 January 24 19:11 GMT (UK)  »
The image has been posted in the right county too, but not the question https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=211243.msg7521705#msg7521705 just the web link would have been fine.

Matchett is a common surname in the Tartaraghan / Montiaghs / Aghalee area. Tartaraghan parish records exist from 1825, but retained locally in the church, not online (St. Paul's church was consecrated 1819 replacing a former one of 1713). Montiaghs (Ardmore) was built 1785 but registers commence 1822 (offline).
http://rootsireland.ie/armagh/online-sources.php
As common for Irish research the chances of "expanding my knowledge of the Matchetts into the early 1800s, 1700s and beyond if possible." is unlikely. Brownlow estate records eg rental books and some leases exist in PRONI but are extensive, time consuming and have to be consulted hands on. They will only list the head of house.
The Famine, as elsewhere, affected the area and many died or emigrated in the 1840's.
A search for deaths of the fathers post 1864 is possible in the civil records as is looking for marriages of siblings with the same father also in Lurgan District and a check of Griffiths Valuation 1864.

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Armagh / Re: Matchett - Seagoe and TARTARAGHAN Parishes, Portadown
« on: Sunday 28 January 24 23:20 GMT (UK)  »
Back in 2017 irishgenealogy dot ie was new and marriages for 1854 were not online, only available from GRONI.
Now they are all there, your image being https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1854/09474/5433449.pdf
The certified copy from GRONI will differ slightly as it is from the original bound ledger with pre-printed entry numbers and actual signatures or marks. However, the image above is a certified copy of an entry per the bottom, just as much as the other one you hold.

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The Common Room / Re: FindMyPast Subscription Renewal
« on: Sunday 28 January 24 23:02 GMT (UK)  »
Mine expired 9 Dec 2023. There has been a yellow banner offering me 20% off for a week or two when I logon as I have still being doing some searches, but today it was blue and 40% and I paid.

Come back today and get 40% off! Exclusive to lapsed customers.
Was available on all selections monthly, 3 monthly, or annually.
12-month subscription: Plus £81. Pro £111. Premium £120 (instead of £200), all less a penny.
I didn't get an email, maybe I would have.

If you don't auto-renew there is a 30 day grace period when can still avail of the 15% standard offer eg if happy to take a short break and catch up on other things. T&C. 4. Subscriptions.
"If you allow your 12-month Subscription to lapse but then renew it within 30 days of lapse, you will still receive the Discount."
The 20% banner offer came after that then the 40%. Whether that happens always or is co-incidental I don't know.

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Antrim / Re: Ambrose O'Neil (1843), Bernard O'Neill and Mary O'Hara
« on: Friday 26 January 24 23:23 GMT (UK)  »
Registers for there commence 1825, baptisms and marriages, which is earlier than many R.C parishes, with the NLI microfilm images name indexed in the Ancestry collection you cite. https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0411
Have a look at the background on
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Roman-Catholic-baptism.html
His parents will have been baptised before 1825 and O'Neill is a very common surname
https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=O%27Neill
There are many trees online, some detailed with his naval/merchant service, death articles etc, Randalstown being mentioned on the English 1861, 1871 and his marriage cert but no one has established info further back for his parents. He did have a brother Bernard baptised same church 1837 and likely some more between then and his birth, you may need to browse the images. Then the sister afterwards. A tree suggests she and parents were in Scotland 1861 & 71, based on Margaret of about the right age being with a Bernard & Mary from 'Ireland'. Scottish deaths record parents so those would add names to the top.

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Antrim / Re: Mary Ann Clarke and John McKay
« on: Friday 26 January 24 22:57 GMT (UK)  »
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Would anyone know the best way to find John Clark through his employment please? Maybe that would be a good place to start? Did all men in Belfast have to be a part of the army? Like maybe National service back in the day?

That is not a viable route. Conscription did not even apply to Ireland WW1, all who served volunteered to do so; neither did something akin to the post-WW2 National Service.
Scotland'sPeople info accuracy is depentent on the knowledge and quality of the info supplied by the informant. A groom provided his parents names on a marriage but a grandchild, who perhaps never met them being long deceased, and half-remembered some fireside stories, may provide different especially maiden names when he registers his father or mother's death.

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