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The Common Room / Wedding fashions 1935
« on: Friday 17 September 21 13:42 BST (UK)  »
In the newspaper description of a wedding in Hampshire in 1935, the bridesmaids are wearing 'dresses of floral georgette, their head-dresses being tulle flapjacks and they carried bouquets of golden chrysanthemums'.

Any idea of what a 'flapjack' in this context was, or what they should have said and the reporter did not read his own writing correctly?



England / Mawsons born Tamworth 1906-1907
« on: Friday 20 August 21 22:07 BST (UK)  »
Elizabeth Frances Mawson and Geraldine Mawson were born in Tamworth, as above, with mmn Renton.

Elizabeth marries in 1935 with sister Geraldine as bridesmaid, their parents being Mr & Mrs Algernon F A Mawson.  Algernon F A Mawson marries Elizabeth Mabel Renton in Tiverton in 1905.

Algernon is in Andover in 1911, married, crossed out married 5 years 2 born 2 living.

Elizabeth Mary Manson (ancestry) born 1886 Rudgwick Sussex, is with her Renton family in 1911 in Tiverton, married, crossed out married 5years 2 born 2 died.

Presumed brother Algernon born in Andover in 1916.

Can anyone find Elizabeth or Geraldine on 1911?


Wiltshire / Planks in Wiltshire
« on: Sunday 08 August 21 10:58 BST (UK)  »
John Stevens married Elsie Plank in Preshute in 1905.  She is aged 18, father Walter.
She appears as Elsie Rose Stevens in 1911.   Ernest George Plank is with them, possible birth in 1894 mmn Plank.

Elsie Plank and Walter John Plank are baptised in Manningford Bruce on March 12th 1890, both with parents Walter and Lydia.
Walter John Plank may have been born in Pewsey in 1889 with mmn Plank.

Lydia Plank married Walter Plank in Devizes in 1888, bachelor and spinster.

Elsie Rose Stevens (and husband) are on 1939 with her birth as 07/03/1887

I have just seen a birth for a Rose Plank in Devizes in Jun qr 1887 - which I cannot find on GRO.

In 1891 the family Plank appear to be under Sheppard - Walter and Lydia Sheppard both age 24 living in Manningford Bohun, Pewsey with Elsie and Walter John.

Walter, father and son, plus more children back to Plank in 1901. Lydia with another daughter with her mother in 1901 as Plank.  No Elsie.

I would really like a birth for Elsie (Rose).  Suggestions for why (?) Sheppard - but not really of interest for what I want.  Also Elsie in 1901 if possible, but I am finding I have been typing Plant half the time, so I have made things more difficult, not less.

I have sorted out some of my problems since I began typing this, but the background always helps.

Thank-you,  Pat

The Common Room / Fashion at 1941, 1951, 1960 and 1969 weddings.
« on: Friday 02 July 21 09:01 BST (UK)  »
2 queries:

1) At a wedding if the bridesmaid(s) was/were reported in the newspaper as wearing a gold or silver bracelet or necklace, gift of the groom, would it be proper gold (or silver)?

2) If the mother of the bride or groom was wearing a fur coat, fur hat and crocodile accessories, would all those be real?  If just a fur-trimmed collar - what that be real fur?

I have tried google searching, but think I need pointing to a decent historical study of the rise and fall of furs, and wedding gifts, which probably exist but outside my normal searches.


Europe / Torleif Lund
« on: Tuesday 18 May 21 12:21 BST (UK)  »
Torleif Lund dies in Southampton in March qr. 1979, with a birth date of 21/11/1920. 

He should be the Marine Superintendent with Thoreson Car Ferries if he is the father of a Lund who marries in Southampton in 1969. She is described as his only daughter. Guests travel from Norway to attend.

Can anyone see a birth (or wedding) for him?


England / Miranda McGregor
« on: Wednesday 12 May 21 08:29 BST (UK)  »
Miranda McGregor is showing on 1939 in St Pancras with a birth of 13/12/1912, living in a boarding house/hotel/whatever, a single typist.
Her name is changed to Brown, and a date of birth of 18/12/1918, plus various notes.

There is a marriage for Miranda McGregor to Mr White in 1932, that I hope is not her, but could have been - depending on her birthdate.

I can see the marriage to Mr Brown in 1943 and then a rather late marriage to Mr Startup in 1960 using the Startup and McGregor surnames.   (There is a daughter who married under the Brown and Startup surnames, and was born as Brown mmn McGregor)

I cannot see a birth in Scotland.

Can anyone see a birth or death for her?

(Mr Startup dies in 1978, born 1908, his first wife died in 1944 - so she has plenty of time to marry again.)

Sorry - not got any of the marriage certificates

Other Countries / Argentina Uruguay
« on: Monday 19 April 21 14:37 BST (UK)  »
In 1901 Ethel (Flora) Bridger is in Finchley age 15, born Uruguay.  Birth is at Paysandu, with siblings also born there, easily found.
In 1911, after the UK census,  Mrs Ethel Plant with husband Rev. Thomas Plant and son Bede(born in Jarrow, mother:Thomas's first wife) and daughter Arminta/Aminta, return to UK.  They go out again at other times.

Rev Plant comes home from Argentina after 1st wife's death(in UK) in 1906, starts at a church in Norfolk, then goes out in August or September 1907 (16th according to newspaper article, from Southampton) to Buenos Aires, on the Magdalena.
My proposal is that Ethel and Thomas met on the boat out.  Maps show that Lomas de Namora (where Thomas's church, Holy Trinity, is, just south of Buenos Aires) and Paysandu (north along the Uruguay River) are about 300 km apart, with Buenos Aires and Montevideo being suitable ports.

They are on a few trees on Ancestry, with marriage place not found, but some state Uruguay.

Can anyone find either or both travelling out, or signs of a marriage anywhere. For preference I need the marriage.

Thanks for looking - I don't think I have missed anything obvious but am rather ignorant on South American countries. 

Europe / Pace family 'of Malta'
« on: Tuesday 16 March 21 09:54 GMT (UK)  »
I have a Lawrence Pace marrying in Hampshire in 1951 and dying in 1989, birth 27/08/1927 - so not born in Hampshire, or England.  One of his children was given the name Emanwela Pauline Rosita Pace, the other's first name looks traditionally English.

Lawrence's parents are Mr & Mrs Paul Pace 'of Malta'.

I have been using this site, from another rootschatter, but nothing this time that I can see:

Any other suggestions, his birth, anything about his parents.

I was first thinking from a military family, born anywhere, and then served in WW2 and married thereafter, but if that birth date is accurate, too young. 
Next idea, visiting relatives as there are Pace families in the area, but there are in most areas, whilst doing military service after war, or not.
Father Paul could be Paulo, and he could have been Laurence...

Thanks for any input.

Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Lilian Elizabeth Melita Bell
« on: Wednesday 10 March 21 12:22 GMT (UK)  »
I have a newspaper report of Lilian Elizabeth Melita Bell marrying Mr Diaper in 1951.  She dies as Lilian Elizabeth Melita Diaper in 2002 in Winchester, born 17/08/1929.
Her parents are named in the newspaper report as Mr & Mrs James Bell.

Lilian G B Draper marries Mr Luke in 1919, then, after his death, marries James W C Bell in 1923.
They appear to have 4 sons from freebmd, one born Southampton, James in 1924, one born in Alverstoke, Reginald in 1926. Then 2 more sons born Southampton (1934 and 1937).
On the 1939 the father is away, Lilian G B Bell(1897) with James and Reginald showing,  then 3 redacted entries., then Harry Draper, father-in-law. 

On the newspaper report she is referred to as the Bell's only daughter, so she is probably hiding under the thick black line with the 2 presumed living brothers.

Can anyone find a birth for her, please?

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