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Ireland / Re: California birthplace claim
« on: Tuesday 23 January 24 08:20 GMT (UK)  »

I have now actually started a file 'to do when I next go to Kew action list'   :)

I have looked at some Great War Forum groups and not liked them, but will try that one.

Ireland / Re: California birthplace claim
« on: Monday 22 January 24 23:48 GMT (UK)  »
I was looking for a baptism of Robert snr.

There are many examples of people making their mark on some documents and signing on others.

I have not found any WW1 records for Rev Robert Gillenders, though did find the MC in the London Gazette.  There are newspapers reports giving details of letters he has sent to parents and wives of both injured and dead sons and husbands.  He dies after prolonged ill-health having had parishes dotted around the south.  He seems to be Gillanders in Ireland and Gillenders in England.

But that does not get me any nearer California.

Ireland / Re: California birthplace claim
« on: Monday 22 January 24 08:12 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry, been re-reading.  How do you know the Mother was illiterate - just because she made her mark on the birth information? 

Ireland / Re: California birthplace claim
« on: Monday 22 January 24 07:48 GMT (UK)  »
Thank-you for the continuing comments.  I had found the births for Robert and Mary Ann, as in my opening post, it was the birth for Robert the father that I thought could not be found..... nor the marriage of the father Robert to Eliza Jane Reed.
I was interested in the comments about 'farmer' or 'labourer'- I have always assumed that information as to which depended solely on the aspirations of the person at that stage in their life.  When the son Robert marries in 1908 his father is a Gentleman Farmer......

Ireland / Re: California birthplace claim
« on: Sunday 21 January 24 20:27 GMT (UK)  »
I put claim because the 1911 does not state California.  The 2 are not in agreement, in both he is in his father's household, so either one is wrong or there is a California in Ireland.

I have not got marriage certificate of Robert and Eliza Jane - it was not essential for the research that I was doing.  (Rev Robert Gillan/enders MC in WW1).  Agree that a different mother coming to Ireland etc etc would fit.   I do plead rustiness with looking at Irish records.  Sorry.

Ireland / Re: California birthplace claim
« on: Sunday 21 January 24 12:09 GMT (UK)  »
Just out of interest. There is a Hollywood in County Wicklow  ??,_County_Wicklow


Yes, which was why I wondered if there was a tiny townland called California not showing on the databases.

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Obtaining a Will
« on: Sunday 21 January 24 11:26 GMT (UK)  »
Have you read the information here?

Added: Yes, it is on FindMyPast in a well-written hand.

Ireland / California birthplace claim
« on: Sunday 21 January 24 11:16 GMT (UK)  »
On the 1901 Irish census John Gillanders age 24 has his birthplace as California.  On the 1911 census he is back to Co Monaghan like the rest of the family.
If he was born abroad he should have put USA not California, but understandable 'mistake'.

I cannot find his birth in County Monaghan - parents Robert and Eliza Jane nee Reed for Robert and Mary Ann.
It is Robert (his brother) who I was researching - goes to England, is a vicar.  Just saw the California birth and intrigued.
Is there a tiny place in Ireland called California - I was not having any success with google searches, just getting hits for Hollywood? 


The Common Room / Re: dress description 1908 newspaper
« on: Thursday 11 January 24 11:52 GMT (UK)  »
Just been looking at another marriage which has a very brief write-up in the local newspaper, but extensive coverage elsewhere.
I have stopped reading descriptions as they all differ slightly.
The bride was clad in soft white crepe de chine or mousseline de soie or ninon de soie or satin.

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