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England / Re: Eric James Ching 1911
« on: Thursday 29 February 24 14:42 GMT (UK)  »
Well, the will leaves everything to his wife and if she dies at around the same time everything is left to his son Harold and married daughter Aileen - house, goods, money.

There is no mention of another son, no mention of a son's widow, no mention of a son's son.

Gets me absolutely nowhere.

The son Gavin was born in Scotland in 1937, not a war baby, not born before marriage, and parents on ER's together.  At some time Gavin started using his mmn which would imply not wanting to use his father's surname for whatever reason.  His mother kept on using it until she remarried.
 If Eric and Emmie divorced the grandfather could cut Gavin from the inheritance.  If Eric and Emmie divorced and Eric subsequently died before his father then Eric would disappear from will.   Will dated 1960.   If Eric had quarrelled with his parents he could have been removed from will.

Gavin died age 44, no relatives named in news article that I saw.

England / Re: Eric James Ching 1911
« on: Monday 26 February 24 20:12 GMT (UK)  »
I ordered it.

I used to look up probates all the time until they changed the system and made it impossible to search for people.

I assumed that by now things would have improved.

No - searching for Ching in another random year gives me 26 pages, first a page beginning with A and then a page beginning with B, then the correct page, then 23 more pages (of rubbish or should I check them).  No, not improved.

England / Re: Eric James Ching 1911
« on: Monday 26 February 24 19:58 GMT (UK)  »
You are absolutely correct that I could apply for the will.  Because of the number of weddings that I am researching I have aimed to cut down costs through buying the minimum number of certificates.
If he is not on the will it does not mean that he is alive or dead just that he has had nothing left to him.  It might be interesting if the grandson is named or Emmie. His age and place of death was something that I try to track.  I didn't see the contents of the will stated in the paper, pity.  I will consider that.

England / Re: Eric James Ching 1911
« on: Monday 26 February 24 16:21 GMT (UK)  »

Some of the newspaper reports have his father's name as E or Edward Ching - took me ages to work out it was Nehemiah.

England / Re: Eric James Ching 1911
« on: Monday 26 February 24 15:46 GMT (UK)  »
No, I do not know that. 

England / Eric James Ching 1911
« on: Monday 26 February 24 14:23 GMT (UK)  »
Eric James Ching mmn Coutts was born in Bedford in 1911 to Margaret Aikman Coutts, born Dunfermline and Nehemiah Ching, a dentist, born London. 
He married Emmie Wilson in Romsey in 1935 and they appear on ER's in Edinburgh before the war and Newcastle after the war in 1946.  Emmie is living with others from 1949 onwards in Newcastle initially.  In 1962 in Chichester she is with her mother (widowed) and potential son born 1937 but he is using her Wilson maiden name.   Emmie was with her parents on 1939 register and probably son redacted.
When Eric's father dies in 1960 he is not on probate.
Emmie marries Charles Palmer in Worthing in 1973 and dies in 1980.

There is also an Eric James Ching born Richmond 1909.

Can anyone see a death for Eric James Ching anywhere?


The Common Room / Re: Engaged or Good friends
« on: Friday 23 February 24 07:55 GMT (UK)  »
The name of the giver was Jessie Curtis not Smith.  Married as Jessie Curtis = Stanley Bungay. Plaitford School where she had worked presented her with a silver tea service.

There are other members of the Curtis family also listed as giving gifts, are they related?   Can only assume they were a couple accepted as such by family but probably not engaged.

Yes, sorry, you are correct, don't know why I put Smith particularly as it was their marriage that I was looking at in 1935. 
Curtis is one of the traditional names in the area, as is Smith, some surnames end up dominating whilst others die out quickly.
Of the marriages that I have looked at in 1935 in the area the median age for brides was around 25 to 26 years, by the 1960's it had dropped down to the early 20's and now is a lot older.

The Common Room / Re: Engaged or Good friends
« on: Wednesday 21 February 24 08:47 GMT (UK)  »
Thank-you for your suggestions.

I had wondered if there was a 'correct' way of behaving as a couple if an item or engaged or just friends in the situation as guests at a wedding.

In fact it has just occurred to me that they were not necessarily guests invited to the reception as I have seen lists of presents longer than number of guests, I was just assuming they were guests. So they could have been invited either together or singly or not invited but wish to give together.

 I was also interested in how long couples stayed as engaged - the rich and royalty may have had short engagements but the average age of the brides that I looked at in 1935 was 25 - so there was the possibility of long engagements, I just did not know.  If the parents expected the groom to have a certain wage level, or savings made, or bride's kitchen implements accumulated, then she was not on the shelf she was busy sorting out her future life....

As a random point from 'modern' weddings and not invited to the main wedding and reception but to the evening knees-up or similar, I was invited to a wedding but not my husband - when did that custom start?

The Common Room / Re: Arrow
« on: Tuesday 20 February 24 10:09 GMT (UK)  »
For anyone else looking - she is in quite a few trees on Ancestry but the public ones do not show a death.

Also that 1939 gives a different birth year of 1886 so she was fluid with her age.  What was her birth date from her birth certificate?

Added : Sorry, that one is not a waitress.  Confused.

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