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Llewellyn Jones my 2x greatgrand father married Margaret Lewis Llansfilin,Denbigshire 1835.

I found the marriage.

I am trying to find his birth.

My great grandfather William Jones was born in Llansantffraid he married Elizabeth Roberts they lived in New ,Martin,Shropshire where their first son William was born,my Grandfather Thomas Edward was born in 1870 in Oswestry Salop they had daughters Mary Frances,Margaret and another son Llewelyn in Twyford.

Y es I do know his father's name and if the birth showed Joseph as his father it would indeed be the proof I need,however,I try not to order certificates,in the past when I did so and it was wrong family,it is money spent for nothing.

I think I have 3 or 4 currently I have no use for.$200.oo spent for information that I have no use for.

You are all great,I have seen all these possibilities but here is another piece of information working backward:my grandmother Alice Ann Horrobin stated her place of birth as Bradford,Manchester on her immigration form into Canada,1932
Alice Ann Married Harry Howarth,Collyhurst Memorial Church 1900.I ordered the marriage licence.
On the licence her father is John deceased'
1891 Census of Bradford,Manchester,shows John Horrobin,Mary J. Horrobin,Alice Ann,and John is a carter for a Brickseller,1881-71-61 corroborates his job as a carter.
Now there are two John Horrobin deaths between 1891 and 1900(,1895-1897) when Alice Ann marries Harry Howarth.
John and Mary Jane also had sons,John,Joseph and Abraham.I have research their births.
Still I can not find a birth record for John.

I learned all the format from WDYTYA.

The small things overlooked can oft times lead you to the person you are looking for would otherwise never find.