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The Common Room / Re: The letters M.B. after a name - ideas please? James Broomhead died 9 Sept 1919
« on: Tuesday 21 July 15 20:36 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: groom on Tuesday 21 July 15 20:20 BST (UK)
Quote from: BevStimpson on Tuesday 21 July 15 20:10 BST (UK)
The other thing that puzzles me, I would expect a beneficiary to be related to the deceased. So Charles Herbert Broomhead would be a brother, Uncle, Nephew or son.
The only birth I can find puts him in the brother bracket and that is in Oldham not Aberdeen!

confusion reigns :D

Have you actually got the will? The probate was granted to Lillie (his widow) Charles Herbert Broomhead and Jonathon Arthur Haworth. That doesn't mean that they were all beneficiaries, just that they were the executors of the will. For example, the people granted probate for my uncle's will were his solicitors, they were not beneficiaries.

I can't find the will. I was linking surnames. And the fact that Charles H was born in Oldham, James resided (at least some of the time) in Haslingden, not too far apart. It seems that Charles H was born circa 1885, James' marriage in 1896 and their first born in 1897 in Haslingden!

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The Common Room / Re: The letters M.B. after a name - ideas please? James Broomhead died 9 Sept 1919
« on: Tuesday 21 July 15 20:10 BST (UK)  »
The other thing that puzzles me, I would expect a beneficiary to be related to the deceased. So Charles Herbert Broomhead would be a brother, Uncle, Nephew or son.
The only birth I can find puts him in the brother bracket and that is in Oldham not Aberdeen!

confusion reigns :D

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The Common Room / Re: The letters M.B. after a name - ideas please? James Broomhead died 9 Sept 1919
« on: Tuesday 21 July 15 20:05 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: groom on Tuesday 21 July 15 19:49 BST (UK)
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My Maternal Grandfather and his brothers always thought that this man had connections to Nottingham and Lace making

That James Broomhead's address was Ivy House Rectory, Crumpsall Lanc,  it looks as if he was a vicar. Are you sure that you have the right death? Where was your Great Grandmother living at the time?

Added: Looking at the censuses he wasn't a vicar - he was a physician and surgeon, born in Aberdeen.

Sarah Owen Drain my Great Grandmother was living in Chrissey Street, which for some indefinable reason shows up as either Collyhurst or Harpurhey, both close to Crumpsall and as far as I can tell all within Prestwich registration district. Given that my Grandmother was born 2nd  December 1919 it does seem to fit with his death in September 1919

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The Common Room / The letters M.B. after a name - ideas please? James Broomhead died 9 Sept 1919
« on: Tuesday 21 July 15 19:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone.
The attached image is the newspaper entry for a man allegedly the married chap who had an affair with my widowed Great Grandmother, leaving her 6 months pregnant when he up and died. Since her sons knew him (he allegedly was going to marry Sarah - whether this was a convenient story to cover the illicit affair or if he led her on would be conjecture), I know his name and approximate date of death. All avenues point to this man.
This is what I know:
His name: James Broomhead
His approximate age: 50
Date of death 9 Sept 1919

My Maternal Grandfather and his brothers always thought that this man had connections to Nottingham and Lace making - though how and why they believed this is a mystery. The child born to him after is death (to complicate matters further) the half-sister of my maternal Granddad, is my Paternal Grandmother. Yes, my mum and dad are cousins  ;D ::)

Obviously she never knew of her father, the siblings all treated her as their full sister, no mention was ever made to the fact she wasn't. Until obviously, we started delving into why my mum always called her mother-in-law "Aunty Ada" and my dad always called my Granddad "Uncle Ernie".

Having found the probate, and the FreeBMD record of his death, I'm trying to find out which of the James Broomhead's he is. It sounds like he could be a doctor or Reverend. 1911 census has a James Broomhead physician and surgeon but in Haslingdon.

Back to my original query, one of the people mentioned, Charles Herbert Broomhead has the letters M.B. after his name. What would these stand for - forgive me if it is something blindingly obvious, brain is fuzzy today.
And any ideas if this would point in the direction of the Haslingdon family?

Thanks for reading
Beverley

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Jane mother in law - but what is her surname please?
« on: Sunday 19 July 15 16:21 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie17 on Sunday 19 July 15 15:50 BST (UK)
Transcribed as Jane Tweedley b 1801 Ireland is this the same person address Maxtons Land

Yes that's her. Elizabeth Carson is nee Drain

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Jane mother in law - but what is her surname please?
« on: Sunday 19 July 15 15:32 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie17 on Sunday 19 July 15 15:26 BST (UK)
Quote from: BevStimpson on Sunday 19 July 15 15:23 BST (UK)
Quote from: rosie17 on Sunday 19 July 15 15:20 BST (UK)
Maybe Tweedle

That was mine and my cousin's thinking, Thank you... now to find a marriage for her  :D
What year was this might be able to help with census forms if we have dates

This is from the 1861 census for Johnstone, Paisley!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Jane mother in law - but what is her surname please?
« on: Sunday 19 July 15 15:23 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie17 on Sunday 19 July 15 15:20 BST (UK)
Maybe Tweedle

That was mine and my cousin's thinking, Thank you... now to find a marriage for her  :D

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Jane mother in law - but what is her surname please?
« on: Sunday 19 July 15 15:18 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone decipher the surname of our Jane, mother in law please, Daughter is allegedly Elizabeth nee Drain married to Samuel Carson. I'm trying to work out if Jane remarried.

Any help is much appreciated

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Dumfriesshire / Any info on Mathew Diamond and Agnes Kirkpatrick first child born 1815 Dumfries
« on: Tuesday 14 July 15 11:46 BST (UK)  »
my biggest brick wall.

Matthew (also Mathew) Diamond and Agnes Kirkpatrick have nine children that I can find as follows:

Matthew Diamond 1815 –
Joseph Diamond 1817 –
Mary Anne Diamond 1819 – 1858 (my Gt Gt Gt Grandmother)
Jean Diamond 1822 –
John Diamond 1824 –
Elizabeth Diamond 1830 – 1912
William Laidlaw Diamond 1832 – 1919
Margaret Diamond 1835 –
Agnes Diamond 1837 –

Matthew died in 1849 in Carlisle, he was a hand loom weaver. The youngest child Agnes is the only one born in Carlisle not Dumfries. The only census I can obviously find him on is 1841. Agnes (Kirkpatrick) lived to the ripe old age of 98 years.

Both give place of birth as Scotland, Agnes even mentions Dunnaford on the 1871 census.
I can't find a birth/baptism for Matthew, nor even siblings. I found two for Agnes, both the same year, difficult to decide which is which. But I cannot find a marriage anywhere for them. The age given on the 1841 census says both were 45 years old.  Which fits with the ages on all the other census returns for Agnes. And gives a birth year of circa 1782.

What am I missing? I feel as though I have the information I need to find Matthew and his parents, and sort out Agnes parents, plus the marriage, but somehow it is eluding me.

Any ideas to break down this wall will be greatly appreciated.
Beverley

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