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Gloucestershire / Re: Christopher Wren Vaile
« on: Sunday 21 January 24 16:53 GMT (UK)  »
Gloucestershire BMD Indexes are useful as they show marriages at a Register Office



Groom Surname: EVERED
Groom Forename: Thomas

Bride Surname: VAILE
Bride Forename: Emily

District: Cheltenham
Parish: Cheltenham
Building: Register Office
Year: 1889
Register: 26
Entry: 82

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Gloucestershire / Re: Francis
« on: Wednesday 17 January 24 17:10 GMT (UK)  »
As Cinderford is in the Forest of Dean, you could also put your request on

https://forest-of-dean.net


No subscription, you just have to register.

There are people with  local knowledge of the area, who are always willing to help and hold various records.
Who knows, you may find out more information


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Forest of Dean Family History Trust (free to join, just register)

https://forest-of-dean.net

Under the Heading : Resources are transcribed Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730-1823 (sometimes two copies), one being the bond and the other the licence.  Useful as it can give ages, professions etc.



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Record ID : 7928
22 March 1784

Robert COLE, aged 40, (Widower) Yeoman : residence : YEAT

Ann FRANCOMB, aged 25 (Spinster) : residence: YEAT

Signature: No mark or sign
Event type: Marriage Allegation

Memoranda: Sworn before P COLE to marry in the parish church of YEAT

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There is also a copy of the Marriage Bond: dated 22 March 1783
which includes: Witness: Benjamin NEALE a Yeoman of Year

Memoranda:  The groom and Benjamin NEALE are bound in the sum of £500.  To marry at YEAT.


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Looking at the Forest of Dean Records : the Christian Name : ANNIS is listed a number of times.

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Wiltshire / Re: Missing Parish of Nabels or similar.
« on: Wednesday 20 December 23 16:50 GMT (UK)  »
If you want to search for National Archives for

HULL of Christian Milford Wiltshire, there does appear to be Wills*  held at The National Archives - Kew

*These are Wills: Prerogative Court of Canterbury which (I think) are only held at Kew - but can be downloaded.

for example:

Will of James HULL of Christian Malford, Wiltshire - dated 20 December 1810

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James HULL born Christian Malford, Wiltshire.  Served in 5th Foot Regiment, Wiltshire Militia, Discharged .......

Royal Hospital Chelsea.  Soldiers Service Documents (this one dated: 1805-1824 and this James HULL discharged aged 47.

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Wiltshire / Re: Missing Parish of Nabels or similar.
« on: Wednesday 20 December 23 16:42 GMT (UK)  »
On National Archives, there is also

Reference: 873/358

Description: Marriage Settlement of GEORGE FRY, junior, Enham, Hants and Charlotte HATHWELL, Nabals farm, Draycott Cerne, 1837 with correspondence 1845, 1856-1857

Date: 1839-1857

Held by: Wiltshire and Swindon History Centre.  not available at The National Archives.

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Wikpedia

Draycot Cerne

Draycot Cerne (Draycott) is a small village and former civil parish, now in the parish of Sutton Benger, in Wiltshire, England, about 3 miles (5 k) north...... etc etc.

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Wiltshire / Re: Missing Parish of Nabels or similar.
« on: Wednesday 20 December 23 16:32 GMT (UK)  »
Just for information (NABAL/KNABWELL) the name appears to go way back.

Checking on National Archives

Just Google A2a and look for the Heading
The National Archives
Discovery|National Archives

This takes you starting to : ' Explore the catalogue' then enter information you are looking for) in this case:  NABALS SUTTON BENGER.

Held at East Sussex Record Office
Date: 09 October 1571

Exemplification of writs of covenant

and headed

Wilts: (this includes)

Knabwell (Nabal's Farm in Sutton Benger).

Knabwell (Nabal's Farm in Sutton Benger

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'Isn't it hard looking far back??'

Not sure if you are aware of

Men in Armour for Gloucestershire in 1608.

This is an on-line database containing information on occupation, stature and age for nearly 20,000 men in Gloucestershire UK.  'Thus, it contains a fairly complete list of all the men from the ages of 16 to 60 in Gloucestershire in 1608 and is particularly useful for tracing ancestors in the early 17th century

This can be found on

Coaley.net  (and under the Heading: LOCAL HISTORY)

https://coaley.net

To search: Just put in the the surname: COA - as COATES  and other surnames has variations.

The only ones I can see are residing in

CHEDWORTH  (CHELTENHAM)

Richard COATES husbandman A20 lower stature. trained
William COATS husbandman A20 middle stature
Robert COATS husbandman A20 lower stature

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If you then click on the Help Page on the above website

This gives you a guide to the above

A20 - Shows the age of that man to be about twenty

lower stature - shows that man to be of a lower stature fit to serve with a caliver
middle stature - shows that man to be of a middle stature fit to make a musketeer

Husbandman : means a person who cultivates the land; a farmer

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So, three young COATS/COATES in Chedworth, Cheltenham and can't see any more in other places.

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Also on the Coaley : Under the Heading : Local History - is the Gloucestershire Population tables (every ten years from 1801 to 1901) again very useful to see how big a village/town etc. was.

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Checked the Forest of Dean Website for Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations and Marriage Bonds

There are 14 COTES/COATES/COATS listed for Chedworth - the early 1637 for a Thomas COATES.


There is on Men in Amour for Gloucestershire

Cirencester (Instrope Street)

Gilbert COTES mason A40 Middle stature

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Forest of Dean Website: Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations etc : do have 4 COTES in Chedworth/Chadworth (?assume transcription error for the spelling of Chedworth - or how it was spelt then)

Gabriel - 1666
Richard - 1684 *
Alice - 1684
Sarah - 1711

(so there seems to be at least 3 variations of the surname)


Another option is to take a DNA test and upload your results on the website.
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* 19 December 1684

Richard COTES aged 30  - residence: Chadworth
Alice COATES aged 39 - residence: Chadworth

By Licence
He signs

Memorands: Bondsman: Philip GLOVER, Cumton Abdale, he marks


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BISLEY Glos. was known for Broadweaving in the 18th century.

According to the populations tables on Coaley.net

in 1801

Brockworth was 1,957 acres and a population of 350  (seems agricultural area)

Bisley was 7,927 acres and a population of 4,227 (more industry)


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Checking on Gloucestershire Will Index (Just Google: Gloucestershire Genelogical Database)

There is

1735 COATES Thomas  - Parish Bisley : Inventories (occupation Broadweaver)
1735 COATES Thomas  - Parish Bisley: Wills (occupation Broadweaver)



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As I don't have access to Ancestry etc any more ....

I can see a baptism on the Forest of Dean website

25 September 1774

Richard COATES

father: Daniel
mother: Betty

Officiating Minster : Hugh Price

Parish/Chapel Gloucester St Mary de Lobe

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Family names are an important source of research


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If you haven't already registered with

Forest of Dean Family History

https://forest-of-dean.net

(this is free, you just have to register), suggest this would help your research.  All the records have been transcribed.
Under Resources heading of the website is

Gloucestershire Marriage Licence Allegations 1637 - 1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730-1823.

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The website has a Soundex box as surnames can be spelt differently.  For example: COATS and COATES.

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Daniel COATES of Brockworth.  His Licence is on the above website 13 February 1747

Daniel COATES (Widower) residence:  Brockworth
Ann ORGAN aged 30 (Spinster) residence: Brockworth

By Licence

Marriage Allegation.  To marry at Brockworth.  Sworn before J Gregory

Memoranda: Old style date 1746/7. 
This is because the Calendar was changed.

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In the Parish Records is your Daniel COATES marriage transcribed

Record ID 85235

16 October 1769

Daniel COATES residence: of the parish of St Mary de Crypt

Elizabeth JAMES of this parish

By Banns

Date of Banns: September 24th & October 8th & 15th 1769

Both sign (which shows they could write their names, unlike signing with an X if they couldn't do so.

Witness 1: William WEBLEY (appears on many weddings, Parish Clerk.  I did see his title on one record, will re-check.

Witness 2: Amelia  QUARINGTON

Officiating Minister John PALMER: Rector.

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The Forest of Dean website has an Advanced Search which can be used in different ways.

I had a quick look to see if DANIEL COATES had been a witness at any other wedding

and on the 25 January 1773

When William POWELL, of the parish of Bromsborough in the County of Gloucester
married Jane WOORE  By Licence

They both sign

Witness 1: DANIEL COATES
Witness 2: William WEBLEY

John Palmer:  Rector

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It just adds interest as it would seem William POWELL and Daniel COATES knew each other.


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Most of the records on the Forest of Dean site, have been transcribed for that particular area.  But the Marriage Bonds and Licences cover the whole of Gloucestershire.

Hope this helps.

Will have another look later on.


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