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Norfolk / Re: Palgrave Frith c 1635
« on: Thursday 17 August 17 13:31 BST (UK)  »
These are a few potentially useful sites in connection with some of the Girdlestones (no source records but useful for purposes of guidance and comparison):

http://www.salthousehistory.co.uk/girdlestones.html# The Girdlestones of Kelling - traces from the first Girdlestone through the branch down to Zurishaddai (m. Sarah Hewitt), via son Samuel Rainbow, son Rev. Charles (b.1797) and his children. (It veers from my line at Zurishaddai (b.1719), but does show quite a few siblings' details along the way.)

http://home.scarlet.be/sharmadillo/fam-shar/fam01943.htm - down to Elizabeth (b.1742), daughter of Thomas, who marries James Hewitt.

https://familytrees.genopro.com/IainTait/Beath-Tait_Ancestors/timeline22.htm?unit=8,pixels=50,wrapEvents=true,date=31%20Dec%201608 - This is a timeline showing quite a few family lines through to 1960s.

(I haven't yet searched further into Palgrave Fish's family, but obtained quite a bit of detail on the early ancestors by using info from the first two and using other sources I found by using details from them.)

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Norfolk / Re: Palgrave Frith c 1635
« on: Wednesday 16 August 17 08:29 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the PM and extra info - so we now concur that she was indeed Palgrave Fish! Good to have got to the bottom of that little mystery.  :)

I see that there are lots of Fishes in Norfolk in the early 17th C too, and Christopher had a few children (try searching just on surname, birthdate 1600-1640).

And actually, looking at that Fish record you posted before (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N53D-L65) - I reckon that is probably Palgrave who married Richard, because Richard was born in 1638 and that would be about right with what I estimated before (1640). I must have been tired when I looked before because I somehow calculated about 12-13, but this record would make her a few days away from 16 on her wedding day. And he was only 18. So entirely believable.

Incidentally, Joseph Godderson was indeed Godderson, not Girdlestone - confirmed by other records. It would be nice to know how his wife (the other Palgrave Fish is connected, but I don't have time to go there now...

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Norfolk / Re: Palgrave Frith c 1635
« on: Tuesday 15 August 17 14:19 BST (UK)  »
Hmmm, that would make her on the young side for marriage, and also North Walsham is a fair distance away (I should have said Thornage above, not Letheringsett, as that's where this couple got married).

I'll have to get back to this tomorrow, but I'm favouring Fish now. That writing looks as if the first 2 letters are "ff" and the other Palgrave Fish adds weight to this theory, for me.
 ???

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Norfolk / Re: Palgrave Frith c 1635
« on: Tuesday 15 August 17 10:14 BST (UK)  »
Oh, that's interesting! I looked at the writing on your attachment and thought, that could be Fish, not Frith or Firth... and FamilySearch indexes it as such on their transcription here:
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN3G-KQT : 10 December 2014), Richard Gyrlestone and Palgrane Fish, 08 Apr 1656; citing Thornage, Norfolk, England, reference item 3 p27, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 1,657,227.

(And incidentally I came across another Palgrane Fish, born 1697, possibly a relative? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJPD-J3B Married "Joseph Godderson" in 1725 - and now I'm wondering if he could be another Girdlestone? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJPD-J3B)

I am 7th great granddaughter, so an equivalent relationship to your husband - PM me if you would like me to send you the path through the descendants.

Any further info as to her parents? Or perhaps a sibling called Richard who may have called his daughter Palgrave too?

[Edit: Hindolveston is about 7 miles from Hetheringsett by road these days.]

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Albert Blennerhassett Johnston
« on: Monday 26 December 16 03:21 GMT (UK)  »
Sure, no rush. I'll PM you.

You should be able to look at those links I posted as public profiles on Geni (it just inhibits you from navigating around and doing stuff you can do as a member; alternatively, you can become a free member if you wish and look at the whole family tree).

Happy Christmas!  :)

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Albert Blennerhassett Johnston
« on: Monday 19 December 16 09:03 GMT (UK)  »
I have started working on these profiles in Geni and although I haven't yet finished with them, have documented the info I've managed to garner so far. (Albert's overview tab has quite a few links you may want to look at, especially the Wikitree one if you want his ancestors.)
https://www.geni.com/people/Albert-Johnston/6000000051403426821
https://www.geni.com/people/Esther-Johnston/6000000038599235935
https://www.geni.com/people/Pamela-Joy-Johnston-Sister-Clare/6000000051410418861

I've sent off a few queries and hope to build these up in coming days or weeks, but thought that I may as well get the links posted now.

It looks as if that line died out pretty much completely; I don't think that Esther's twin sister or other sister had children either.

[Edit to add: I have been in touch with one of the sisters from the Falkirk Carmelite monastery where Pamela was a nun, and found out that she died only a few months ago, in August.]

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Norfolk / Re: Palgrave Frith c 1635
« on: Friday 04 November 16 07:22 GMT (UK)  »
Betty - I missed your second last post when I last posted, but thanks for both. I am once again just too tired and pushed for time to be able to work it all out now.

I am intentionally staying away from the Zurishiddai line as he was not my direct ancestor and I can't afford to be sidetracked, but on my wanderings trying to find something else, happened upon these archive records, just FYI: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D689153 and http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9619975

Unfortunately I can't seem to be able to access that Beath-Tait tree. With my Firefox browser, after taking an eternity, it did eventually show me a page with a list of Girdlestones which looked promising, but then when I tried to navigate, it hung and finally crashed my whole session. I tried on Chrome and Edge, but they tell me "Access is Denied". A shame as it looked as if it may have portrayed some useful info.

Amondg - I started looking at the Norfolk Family History Society, read about NORS and found my way to this page: http://norfolkfhs.archiveps.co.uk/bin/aps_browse_sources.php?mode=list_sources&source_class=4987 - but I'm not sure who I should address a request for a photo to - can you advise, please?

A few more items of note I forgot to mention, found in the orginal Lethersett parish records:
Thomas Gridlestone, infant - buried 22 Dec 1714.
Ann Palgrave - buried 9 Jan 1718.
Richard Girdleston - buried 9 Nov 1724.
Thomas Girdlstone, Gent. buried 11 July 1731.
[James Harvin - buried 20 Feb 1711]

And then there was Nathaniel Palgrave, Rector of Letheringsett, buried 24(?) Dec 1705.
I have been in touch with a man who runs a website about Palgraves, and he has said
"The Rev Nathaniel Palgrave was Rector of Letheringsett throughout the last quarter of the 17th Century.
There are several instances of Palgrave being used as a first name. The Rev Nathaniel Palgrave was the son of Sir John Palgrave of North Barningham Hall so he was well connected." and also
"Is it possible that the Rev Nathaniel Palgrave (Sometimes Pagrave) was a godparent? Sometimes the baptismal name was derived from the godparent so there is not necessarily a family relationship. Pagrave/Palgrave was a useful name to have as that branch of the family included Sir John Palgrave who subsequently was one of Cromwell’s Colonels in the Civil War."
- which sounds quite plausible, were it not for the fact that our (elder) Palgrave/Pagrave G. died around the same time as the rector... but perhaps his father or mother was a godparent?

I'm not sure when I'll be able to come back to this, but will update you with any further findings. I will in the meantime probably just use the FamilySearch user genealogies (IGI) as refs to document Richard's parents (Thomas - Elizabeth Pyle) and come back to that another time too.

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Norfolk / Re: Palgrave Frith c 1635
« on: Thursday 03 November 16 10:12 GMT (UK)  »
Well, I managed to (somewhat painfully) find my way to the parish register - thank you! That does help to verify that Richard and Palgrave, but...

I still find myself confused about that memorial stone with the other dates for Palgrave and (possibly son - no further evidence as yet) Richard.

The daughter Palgrave married Francis Gallon in 1692 (no further information).

FreeReg shows another Richard Girdlestone baptised on Sept 9 1712 in Letheringsett, but his parents were Thomas (https://www.geni.com/people/Thomas/6000000049006134868?through=6000000049007042821) and Mary, so he must have been the grandchild.

I will have to follow this up again when I have more time.  ???

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Norfolk / Re: Palgrave Frith c 1635 (& Girdlestones)
« on: Tuesday 01 November 16 05:19 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again amondg.

After working my way through the info given by Betty in her PM, based on the actual records available, and after going round in circles until I tied my brain up in knots, I decided to get rid of one of the Richards.

Would it be likely that a son but not husband would have been buried with Palgrave? Also, the record of her burial on FreeReg records "Burial date 14 Apr 1705, Burial person forename    Harwin Pagrave, Burial person surname GURDLESTON" (wife of Richard Gurdleston). So now I am more confused than ever, wondering why the date on her memorial would differ from the record.

I'm still not sure about what I've currently recorded, but am too tired to work on this any further at this point.
(FYI, Richard's timeline looks like this atm: https://www.geni.com/people/Richard/6000000049006695892#/tab/timeline.)

p.s. Will just add this about Richard's parents from Betty:
"Richard's parents were Thomas Girdlestone b.1604 Thornage & Elizabeth Pyle 1610
They married 1631
Children: Richard 1638-1710
Info LDS/G.R/Girdlestones"
Betty - what does the last line refer to?
I've now noted the different birthdate for Richard, but haven't added parents as yet. At least one of the IGI family trees I found on FamilySearch does show those parents, but I prefer to have something pointing to an original record if possible.

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