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The Common Room / Re: How to refer to the same place over time.
« on: Sunday 13 December 20 14:43 GMT (UK)  »
I now need to correct my own post - Glyndyfrdwy probably acquired its suffix to distinguish itself from Llansantffraid Glan Conwy  (now always referred to as Glan Conwy) at the other end of Denbighshire, not for the Glyndyfrdwy one (Carrog) which is in Merioneth and persumably named to distinguish it from another Llansantffraid in that county (sorry don't know it.)
But you will also know that Glyndyfrdwy simply means 'Dee valley' so in English terms the churches are the Bridget's in the Dee or Conwy valleys.  Those of us who work on that steam railway also refer to simply Glyn - it's easier  ;)

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The Common Room / Re: Findmypast plans to deny full access to 1921 census - survey
« on: Sunday 13 December 20 12:07 GMT (UK)  »
Hi jen b I got the info through a find my past survey via savanta I just thought it was a bit much to expect people to pay extra on top of a 17 quid a month subscription maybe I'm wrong I get that these things cost to reproduce but hey ho tbh I wish I hadn't bothered commenting

That's another choice you can make - don't have a continuous sub, do a month at a time when it suits.

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The Common Room / Re: How to refer to the same place over time.
« on: Sunday 13 December 20 12:01 GMT (UK)  »
There's a wider issue here, if you can bear with me.  Barrow-in-Furness was presumably named to distinguish it from other places in Lancashire such as Barrowford, but now that it's in Cumbria that may not be necessary.

In the examples quoted so far the name of each place has not changed, only the name of the administrative district it is in.  That is a second-order parameter, and the changes will have come about for various reasons, many due to population growth.

The arrival of railways triggered changes, some of which would pose more awkward problems than those you face: Camberley in Surrey was originally Cambridge Town, but a new name was coined to help railway dispatchers in the 19th century.  Another example is the village of Llansantffraid-glyn-Dyfrdwy between Llangollen and Corwen, which has become Carrog, the name of a nearby farm which the railway company adopted to avoid yet another Llan- name.

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The Common Room / Re: How to refer to the same place over time.
« on: Sunday 13 December 20 09:52 GMT (UK)  »
My preference is to refer to places as they were referred to at the time, but also to be consistent. I'll have a look at genuki as suggested.
It's no help saying this, but you are trying to include the fourth dimension in what is basically a 3-dimensional system.  I don't think there is a way to do that without introducing the chance of mis-searching.  If you think of your data in today's geography, adopt today's nomenclature - and where there have been changes you might add (then in Surrey) for example.

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The Common Room / Re: Why the difference?
« on: Monday 30 November 20 12:32 GMT (UK)  »
You're right.  Although consumption became synonymous with TB it referred to a wasting disease ie where the body was consumed.
... also often referred to then as Phthisis.

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The Common Room / Re: Was there a purge ?
« on: Sunday 08 November 20 17:35 GMT (UK)  »
Aha - looking at the (usually busy) register of St John's Kirkdale there were no marriages there between 6 October and 23 November 1885. So perhaps there was a temporary arrangement for St John's parishioners to be married at St Brigid's pending consecration of their new church.
Although I think this must be the explanation, I have looked again at the St.Brigid's records during those seven weeks.  Without exception the partners give addresses in the 'ghetto' streets, as usual. I would have expected a few 'foreigners' if they represent marriages from St.John's ?

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The Common Room / Re: Was there a purge ?
« on: Wednesday 04 November 20 15:22 GMT (UK)  »
Ah, that must be it, Shaun.  When I move on further with the transcript I shall expect to see Patricius Power return to home base ?  Doesn't seem to explain the sudden drop-off in marriages ten years earlier ...

Just checked most of 1886/87 - Joannis Hickey seems to be in charge, but Frs Power and O'Donovan pop up from time to time.  Presumably priests of neighbouring churches would 'play away' sometimes to cover, or maybe at the request of bride or groom.

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The Common Room / Re: Mountain Ash,Wales
« on: Wednesday 04 November 20 11:18 GMT (UK)  »
Vaguely relevant old joke from my father who grew up in Swansea 1905-1920:

Train ticket collector: All tickets please!
Passenger:  My face is my ticket ..
TTC: I've orders to punch all tickets !

In a Welsh accent of course - sorry ... ::)

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The Common Room / Re: Was there a purge ?
« on: Wednesday 04 November 20 11:14 GMT (UK)  »
If you are doing the transcribing, presumably you can tell if there was a change of incumbent?
I think this is probably the answer.  From 1872 onwards the most frequent celebrant was Patricius O'Donovan; some other names appear, presumably the equivalent of curates.  In August 1885 Patricius Power appears for the first time (surname maybe significant?) and takes over the senior role although PO'D still puts in occasional appearances.  Maybe he retired but continued as a locum.  PP looks like a new broom.

This is part of the 1851 map of inner Liverpool.  The streets mentioned most often are Blackstock St and adjacent streets to north and south.  The church was St.Brigid's on Bevington Hill. just south of Currie Street.

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