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Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Sunday 14 March 21 21:06 GMT (UK)  »
Helo Kazi

I hope you are well and life treating you fine, I have found many records over the past several years as you know regarding the peoples we talk about I must put everything down soon in a datetime format that may be expanded on I see the story keeps evolving and the times of these people are being updated as more information comes to light, this below is another record about  George Gipsy Smiths son Christopher Smith

Tuesday 24 February 1948
  Nottingham Evening Post

Hostel Scene

Because he could not get a bed in the Salvation Army hostel in Aberdeen street, Nottingham. Christopher Smith, of 4, Keswick-street, broke the woodwork and the door and burst the lock, it was stated at the Nottingham Guildhall, to-day. He was fined £3 and £1 costs for damaging the door. John Robert Foster night porter, and Lieut. Nicholls, Salvation Army officer, both said defendant was worse for drink and used obscene language when told there was not a bed available
Aberdeen street is only a stones throw from Keswick street, some of the stories from long ago may seam at times strange to you, they may not either but I would like you to know that this is just the way of it, also Keswick street is right next to all the named places I talk about here in these posts, I was born just down from Keswick street, everything is  close as are all the peoples, they would know each other, I will show you some maps another time and explain the area in more detail so that you would be able to understand more in a truer context

Kazi over the times of our writings you have wrote these words below, the date of Georges death stated by yourselves as in 1941 was of interest to me be course it may have proved that George Gipsy Smiths was not the one who attacked Rebecca for if in 1941 George died in the months before Rebecca my grandmother was attacked then it could not possibly be old George Gipsy Smiths known to you as George Oxby Smith born in a tent, Staunton-on-the-Wolds, Notts on the 13 March 1868. He was Baptised 18 Mar 1868 Staunton-on-the-Wolds, Notts.  His father is given as John Smith, mother Maria - Gipsy's.

So I thought maybe Gipsy George Smith who along with my own Mother also named Rebecca  well both of them would say how we was cousins, now what does that mean,
Well they said it was through family ties, this I would hear with my own ears and saw such things stated with my own eyes from the Wilshers and the Smiths, for my own Mother came out of the Wiltshires Wilshaw Wilshers, it could still be anyone of the two George Smiths but you will see in the record soon the said George was living at Keswick street so if old old George Gipsy Smith had a son who was related to us then it was Old Gipsy George Smith who my Mother would often talk of in the fondest of words and the greatest of respect.

So if old old Gipsy George Smith did not die in 1941 then it may well be him who was the one who attacked my Mothers Mother, if it was another George from the same address then it may well have been the younger Old Gipsy George who must be the son of the first George the bull legend of Nottingham known to you as George Oxby Smith, but why would Rebecca have been attacked, this I am still trying to find out, I will write the rest up on the next page but first this below is what you first wrote to me before the updated words in your present knowledge of such matters.

“Hi again,
The George Smith in Keswick Street is old George Smith (bn 1865) living there in 1939 (he died in 1941).  I would love to know anything you have on his children.  Feel free to ask any questions and if I can I will answer them.” …….Kazi

“ GEORGE OXBY SMITH "Gypsy Smith" 1868-1941.
 He also used the alias Clayton.
George Oxby Smith was about in 1868 Stanton, Nr Bingham, Nottinghamshire, he was the son of John (Johnny) Smith bn 1833 Tur Langton, Leicestershire s/o Samuel Smith 1791-1864 and Reservoy (Reservoir) Smith 1796-1860, I think they were Uncle and Niece... George's mother was Maria Smith bn Scalford, Leicestershire, d/o Levi Smith bn 1810 and Sophia Smith born 1811-
George's Father Johnny also had another partner at the same time (I believe the "wives" were also sisters) both wives were his 1st cousins.
1871 - He is encamped with his father, his father’s 2 "wives" and all their children in Snenton, Notts.”….Kazi

Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Monday 01 March 21 20:32 GMT (UK)  »
 Thank you Jane for inviting me to join you in your research on Ancestry, i am just looking at how i reply to you, i think it is where it says send, but i dont want to be talking to any one, i was thinking if i write to you it may go to everyone on Ancestry, i will send soon on the send page and see what happens, you have been good by me, i will never forget you, one day i will not write no more, thats just the way of it, but i promise i will never forget you and i will always be your pal

lots of love from me


no need to write back now i will see if i can write to you x


Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Sunday 28 February 21 19:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hey Jane i just got a mesage from you on Ancestry, how about that then, my first mesage, and it says we both are related to Thelma, but i already new that just imagine i got myself my first mesage, your name came up in lights, Janey Smith what a great name to be the first person to write to me 

i will write back soon take care Jane from your pal michael x

Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Sunday 28 February 21 05:53 GMT (UK)  »
Just type ( michael Leahcim) that's my name on Ancestry Jane, i am only on the dna side of things i am not registered in where you can view all family trees my profile name is michael Leahcim i thought you knew, i told you how you was a distant Cousin to me and we have several shared dna matches, i see your profile picture of a  painted varda its a bright coloured picture painting, on my profile you will see my photo and that i come from Nottingham, all this time i have been writing to you i thought you already saw my profile and photo, and the Lady Ramona as a photo of herself holding two young children on her knee, i can not say on here her last name for i don't think you can give out full private details but there are three people i match to with the same last name as Ramona and they all have the Indian dna, two are in the Fourth to sixth cousin column Ramona is in the sixth to eight column, it may well be that this Ramona is a different Lady, type in my name Jane and then you will be able to see me and see who we share matches with on my shared matches with you there is the Holmes S.S. Managed by a buckland a Davies a Byrne a R.Y. a Riding a Gray a Boswell all from 1st to sixth cousin all these are full of Gipsy family's the Lady named as Riding is born a Lee from Wales, we match with more but you have to click onto the distant matches name first to find if you share connections with others, i have already wrote about the Davies and Byrne a few posts back and i match to Thelma that's another of your closer cousins, you and Thelma and this Ramona are distant cousins right at the end of Ancestry's knowledge, i hope you find my profile, write back and tell if you do, i also wrote all about  myself and dna a few pages back, well i was just also thinking that you said the Rammona with a double m as a open tree that is free to see well this Ramona that i match to as locked her tree and you first have to ask permission to talk to people like that, i do not really go around writing to folks for i think to myself if they wanted to be open minded they would not hide away but that is up to whoever to make that free choice for themselves, i have no written tree that's why no one can see mine for i haven't evan got one and i don't think i ever will


Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 21:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jane  do you remember Ramona your relation from the Prices of Wales yet she as the European Gipsies in her Family, I will not speak of their names for you say you are now both living in Canada, i am sure Ramona wrote to me about ten years back, now I just found I am dna related to a Romona, the Ramona who is my long Cousin may not be the same Romona from Canada, isn't life strange how names come up, the Ramona who is my dna Cousin as much of that Indian dna that i thought the first Romona must have, would you ask Ramona to see if she connects to me through  Ancestry



Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 08:59 GMT (UK)  »
  Hi Kazi

I just wanted to say about the Booths to confirm to you what I meant, there are Booths down the South connected to the Coopers who I match to in old d.n.a but I was talking about these Booths below, they are from up my way, I have found you need long arms when researching the Gipsy's of old, long outstretched arms, everyone is connected to everyone, will the truth ever be wrote will the truth ever be found, its all there though, I myself look for answers regarding Family's of old some look for identity some long for such things, some search for an answer in a word that is wrote as name, some go all in and make society's of a kind that a passport of one kind or another is needed to join such an illustrious crew and board the good ship Beagle, I wonder at times what do people think and why do they think that way, then I stop wondering and just go back to wandering in my own thoughts and finding the answers that come freely

 Hope Booth 1911-1958 r.i.p    who's parents were
Ephraim Booth 1884–1963 and Matilda Sheriff 1886– 

 Ephraim Booth  parents were
Henry Booth 1864 - and  Elizabeth Boyling 1864–1950

Henry Booths parents were 

Ephraim Clayton/Booth
1841–1910 and Diana/Dinah Booth 1836–

 Elizabeth Boyling
1864–1950 parents were Absalom  Boyling1816 -  and Rebecca Booth 1823–1888

Now back to Hope Booth 1911-1958     Matilda Sheriff 1886– 

Matilda's  parents are

Hope Sheriff 1855–1934 and Trinity Boyling 1860-1937

Hope Sheriffs  parents were 

William Sheriff
1812–1891 and Mary Ann Tracey Boswell 1805–1897

Aka Tresi Boss descended from Haniel Bosswell Gypsy King 1583
Trinity Boyling 1860-1937 parents
were also Absalom  Boyling 1816-  and Rebecca Booth 1823–1888

The  person born from Hope Booth 1911-1958  who i d.n.a match to is also descended on the other side of their Family tree to  Nellie Smith 1911- down from William then George then Henry 1820-1900 i am not sure if these Smiths are of the Gipsy's for i don't know enough about the bigger picture of such things, there are names like Wildgoose on this side of the tree to that like all the other names go back well into the 1700s these to if they are from the Gipsy's would inter relate through Family connections i have no doubt in that for from my own research in seeing how my many hundreds of matches inter relate over hundreds of years, of course there are dominant lines that are plainly evedent in my own d.n.a that spans most  if not all family names in the clusters that appear yet these to will just be apart of the one true line that is the great Gipsy Family of the lands we call home and not forgetting the Americans for I have picked up the descendants of Gipsy's like Frampton Young who I match to in this day from America i can see through d.n.a how i myself match to these Young's from America and then i rematch to their ancestors in England, also in this day so all these long gone American Gipsy's link back to the one big Family, the Booth match in this instance seems to have done a great amount of research, I may have got the odd thing wrong for i have gone over things a few times and still get a date wrong but i think now i have wrote this right but if i have wrote evan a single thing incorrect just put that down to my own ways of being not that good at such things, also we share 21 named d.n.a matches well known names among them the Lovells join this cluster along with the Bucklands Grays Whartons Lees Youngs Smiths and more, so now look at this great web site that i am sure you have already seen constructed by a very passionate researcher who must have done years of looking for the words she as wrote in this link below, a very good easy read and the Booths are mentioned along with the Sheriffs who play a major part in the story of this persons Family, I also have a d.n.a match to a Hodgkin's who shares Gipsy named d.n.a matches also with me, they to are also mentioned in the link below.
Kazi I will write back to you about George Gipsy Smith from Nottingham who's story entwines with the Wilshers, thank you again for helping me in my research i hope i may also be able to help you 


Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Thursday 25 February 21 18:46 GMT (UK)  »
Helo Kazi

   I do hope you are well and life treating you fine, once again thank you for the time you have gave in researching and sharing the old records and times of the people we are both trying to find and understand in our own way, i do appreciate the times you have wrote regarding research material, i will look into your writing several times and think on such words that you have wrote, i am being honest with you when i say thank you for writing and more people should follow your example, in a good world this would be a natural way, for when people come on to forums like Rootschat and read the writings by such people as yourself well it will give them guidance and confidence to search in a free and open friendly way as your fine self does, well done and i think you are a fine example to everyone in just trying in the way you do, i have listened every time you have wrote and taken everything in, to be truthfull to offten everything seems sometimes like i am spinning in the clouds surrounded by everything, there is at times so many things to think about, i do though look forwards to reading all writings that help me to understand the bigger picture, at times to everything just seems to come together and the true picture starts to appear, i hope you realise i truly am grateful for the times you have wrote about the things that are a great interest to me, thank you again Kazi i will think of you much when i look back on these reactions with members on Rootschat and i will never forget how you gave you own time to help others.

Just on a side note are you related in your Family tree to Hope Booth from the Booth and Sheriff Family's who also are related to the Boylings Claytons Smiths Boss and Boswells and people like the Blewits for one of Hope Booths children are related to me through d.n.a on Ancestry, they say i must share a far of common ancestor from long ago with them Booths it may have began with one of the other names wed with the Booths but in this day me and the Booths related to Hope share old d.n.a if i remember the free bits on the Booths tree Hope Sheriff is before Hope Booth, thank you again for being kind enough to write, the information regarding the Smiths around Nottingham is of great interest to me and i will read your words many times thank you Kazi, take care from michael

Travelling People / Re: Hurn Herons Hearns Youngs
« on: Saturday 20 February 21 21:53 GMT (UK)  »

 I am trying to locate the Heron tree that is offten wrote about i have seen it on-line several times in different formats, i am d.n.a related to a Heron Lady in this day who was born from the people below i have at present found over three hundred Gipsy related match's in my d.n.a that all hold clues if you take the time to read into them, this Lady who was born a Heron shares with me over eighty d.n.a related match's with other people who all are in or from the Gipsy Family as a whole it covers the whole range of my ancestry as regards the cousin sequence from first to eighth i wish to see how these people below join up to the wider  Boswell and Heron trees, i know there are these Boswell lines that have been the topic of much conversation and research over many years by literally everyone who dips their foot into the vast ocean of genealogy to quote a noted researcher who wrote to me long ago "they have been done to death" truthfully i have several Boswell d.n.a ancestral connection's that spans the globe and unlike the called lines i think and know through researching my own unique d.n.a to me that all the clusters interlink through the mingling of family's as a whole there is no such thing as a distink line, you can make a family look that way by writing in a format that may confuse the natural evolution to the learning's of a persons mind and hoodwink generations into a false belief that a mirage is a actual scene, truthfull a mirage is an actual scene yet is it no more than a Shakespearean wordplay that went on to rock the literal world true the mirage is in front of you so it is true yet to look beyond that which your eyes see is the focus that should and is sort by myself, so in this family below that connects to me and over eighty of my d.n.a match's that span the full range of the Gipsy's like the Lovell's Bucklands Lees and Smith of the well known names that are interspersed throughout my d.n.a in clusters and also names unknown yet they to contain all the noted peoples and family's that are wrote about throughout the history's of the written times of the people known to us in these lands as the Gipsy's, in this Heron family below i find them to be a kind of Mother ship that may be through my own personal d.n.a research well they could turn out to be proof that these family's that cross the cluster sequence and interlink several cluster are a founding family in Britain that then went also across the globe as my own d.n.a shows, there will be several of these founding family's i am sure if a person looks into their d.n.a in an honest manner they will evolve honest thought, you do not have to wring something dry to extract that which you seek, just look at history in whatever tapestry and see beyond the mirage i think there was founding family's and maybe only a few that contained clusters that roamed Europe by looking for founding family's in your d.n.a the way i do you may be able to get closer to these Europeans who themselves came out of older clusters from lands further afield, i am sure i am right in how i am researching my own genealogy through the cousin sequence in my d.n.a, if anyone can put up family trees of these people below i would be grateful, other people who hold far more cousin d.n.a that runs into the thousands may not be able to see through such a stocked yard, so by myself in being a person who is at the end of his line and also not noted in any way by the scholars of this day, for truthfully to i am bound to no man and kneel before no one, i could never sell myself out for the want of perage adulation never mind to cast my eyes to the strangers gaze in the hope of being loved, only a fool from the thought and times of long ago who chanced and danced around their local village to the drum beat of the jingled three pointed belled hat dofted from their low held head in admiration to their masters bidding and who then craved and longed for a crown that could never unfree the unchained yet the belled jingled tongue suited more their station in life in this day as also the past, it is far easier for the truth to appear in front of my own eyes, others may not see things but i tell the truth the Stanley's in my own d.n.a are also a interlinking founding cluster, this is only the truth that i have found at these present times you can see below how the Young's evolve out of the Herons in this tree, i have several Young's in my d.n.a in closer times than the Herons yet the Herons hold more family interlinking names than the Young's, to me this is evidence to which i have wrote of here, all you have to do is look with honest eyes


Clones Heron 1918–1973 r.i.p
came out of Amos Heron and Elsie Bosswell  Amos Heron came out of William Heron it is not shown on the free bits who Williams Mother and Father were, Elsie Bosswell came out of William Heron and Jane Boswell
no more is shown freely on this line, this is my dna match's Fathers line of descent, on the Mothers line it starts with Edith Pattison
1928–2011 r.i.p who came out of a male who's name is just shown as private, her Mother was Martha Young, the unknown male came out of Helen Welch and Thomas Pattison, Martha Young came out of  Rhoda Boswell and Noah Heron, no more is shown on this tree, i could write to my dna Cousin match but i do not really do that kind of thing, i just like to learn of things in my own way 

Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Sunday 07 February 21 07:24 GMT (UK)  »
 Hi Jane
I received another distant Cousin match that I have been trying to learn from it looks like their last name is the Montague's (Buckingham Montague) the person who is stated as a long far cousin to me is male and at a first glance a person would think such a name may not be related to the Gipsy's of old, this Montague gives nothing away in their profile that they let you see yet if you click onto who you both share dna with seven names come up, all seven are of the Gipsy's, Ancestry says they are in the  fourth cousin Column in a the 4th–6th Cousin  range at a long shot they say some could go as high as a third cousin to be truthful I do not understand what they are telling me, I think in my own mind cousins related through old connection's may come from a sideways longshot that may be closer than a straight back the line as in how we all think of genealogy, this to may reverse itself, anyway the (Buckingham Montague) is dna related to two Smith Lady's a Clayton a male Pearce a female Crabtree a male Davies and a female Byrne all these seven are stated as dna related to me and they all have many shared match's with me in clusters of several Gipsy names from the past, I do not share a single none Gipsy link with any of these dna matches, through learning this way I know Ancestry are on to a truth for if I look through the many dna links on my Fathers line they are straight from Irelands lands of Green they do not interlink with my cousin dna links from my Mothers side, I do not know how Ancestry know such things but they must be on to something, well these seven dna matches that me and Montague share as many connecting dna Gipsy related dna match links there is not a single crossover to the other clusters like I have found that do not hold a single name or link with the Gipsy's, so Montague is related to the Davies man and I am related to him to yet when I click on his profile he does not give much away unless you write to him, but the man Davies does not hide his dna links that is the same as mine and we now share twenty seven dna cousin matches so you can see there is dna left between us both, we both now share dna of people named Bailey Gray Young Stanley Jeffery and big Jack is back with is massive dna names of old infact all twenty seven same dna links are massive in the names they hold like the great Smiths but back to Montague from the long cousin link and this now is where I am searching for an answer.

In short Montague keeps his powder dry yet his back is not to the wall for I see all our shared dna, one is the person known as Byrne a Lady at that, now she lets me see that she is indeed from the Davies like the Davies above they both share many Gipsy dna links through Family names with me whether this is backways or sideways I do not know, well look at Byrne ancestor's straight down the line solid Davies on both sides theirs Wisdom's on both her Fathers side and her Mothers side and a few Cornelius Davies and evan a Cornelius Stephens who weds cinnamenta smith-1880–1965 and what about one legged Aaron Smith 1788–1859, and theirs Locke's to and the Lees, theres many more but what I would like to learn about is why is it stated on Bryn's Family tree that Mizzeley Davis weds Cornelius Jame's Davies and that Mizzeley Mother and Father were Mizzeley Harrison and W.H. Davies.

Now this is the great bit for remember when I said only the links in shared dna show up from the sixth to first in the cousin range as in shared dna, well that's why the older ones hold more clues they may be older and the amount of dna less but all cousins are cousins so now I find a long cousin link in the far range that they call distant right at the end of Ancestry's knowledge in this day they name it as 5th–8th Cousin this is someone who must live over a mountain and out of sight, but their voice Carry's through the canyon and I still hear it, now this male far cousin of mine is named Wisdom as in his first name I will not tell you his last name for I do not think you can do that, anyway back to Mizzeley Davis who weds Cornelius Jame's Davies and Mizzeley Mother and Father were Mizzeley Harrison and W.H. Davies on Bryn's tree well now on Wisdom's tree Mizzeley Davis is down as being Mizzley Winter and she comes out of the Winters not the Harrisons or Davies it just says Winter it's the same people yet different names, I am dna related to the Winters to, I try to understand about all theses names Ancestry send me, as in what does it all meen, in real truth, it was easier when my Mother said we were related to the Holmes and the Smiths, and I have received more dna matches linking me to the European Gipsy's that Ancestry say I have dna with, two more popped up that's about five now, the Davies I think are from the South near the Wales way and Wisdom is from Dudley Staffordshire, i have more Davies dna matches to and more Smiths, I do wonder about things, I don't evan have a tree, to be truthful I don't evan know who is who, people have showed me things from the census records but are they accurate, just imagine if the censuses are wrong, it only takes one mistake or falseness and  everythings a lie, thank you again for putting up the photos about your relatives, take care.
michael x


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