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Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Sunday 18 April 21 11:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi Kazi

 I received your pm. yes i am registered to My Heritage as well as Ancestry dna, my Daughter got me the Ancestry dna pack for a gift, she lives in Nottingham then my Son who lives in Buckinghamshire gave me a gift of a My Heritage dna pack, i do not go on the My Heritage one for it feels like my head is being spun everytime i try to look at it, Ancestry dna in format is unbelievable great to use and understand, its so easy to navigate, you must ask Tracy to write to me if she wants, who is she from if shes related to me through the dna sequence in the common ancestor range, My Heritage is more than likely just as good as Ancestry its just i received Ancestry first and got used to using it, if i was to take some time in going onto My Heritage i have no doubt it would be just as great as Ancestry if not better, i will go back on it and have another go.

Its great to that at last we found the connection between the Booth Smiths that connects our talk, i have many more Smiths as in direct Smiths in the dna range of relations, i have not evan tryed to look into them yet, i have about twenty Smith Family lines, or twenty Smiths who are related to me through dna on Ancestry some have Gipsy's on both sides some have the Gipsy Ancestry say just through their Fathers side, but they are all born and bred Smiths i have lots of Lees to and Lovell's and some of them are from America the Lovell's i meen, i think the Lees are still over these lands the Bunces who are from the Boswell Herons they are from far over another ocean in the lands they now live, they come out of the famous Alma Boswell that i have researched much, the Blackpool Boswells are ritch in history i have collected vast amounts about them just to learn of the Gipsy History, i never in my wildest dreams did ever think one day i would share dna with their own descendants, and when i found out about my Heron and Hearne connections through dna well i almost swallowed my tongue, every day i learn more, i found lots of Coopers to and i can not believe it but i am sure this Lady who is a Cooper from America well she used to write to me yeares ago several times and now i think i have found her again this time through being dna related to me,   i wrote about the Herons to on here and then the same direct Heron Family that i was researching turns out to share old dna with me, wild or what, serendipity, i love researching i hope you do to, take care Kazi

michael

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Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Sunday 18 April 21 08:55 BST (UK)  »
 Hi Kazi

I came across another Booth Family in my dna common Ancestor range on one side of the Lady's tree her Grandmother was Mary Keziah Booth born in 1902 her family lines goes back through the Booths and Smiths which includes Ambrose Hammi Turtle Smith 1790- if you go back a few pages on this thread you will see how people write to me about these Smiths, then I start to understand a Family structure then when I research more names in my Smith matches I forget the lot, try as I mignt it sure is a hard thing to do, Janey who dna matches to me wrote she came out of a Cain Smith in the 1700s it must be this Cain below

Saturday 07 August 1762
 Oxford Journal
  Oxfordshire

C O UN TRY NEWS
  Thursday Night Cain Smith, a Gypsey, was committed to our Castle for Robbery on the Highway, committed in ……...then theres is the Turtle Smiths from the 1700s David wrote to me also several pages back about this below

“Hello Michael
 
Looking at your dna matches it appears that we have a link through a female Smith
related to Abraham 1680, Absalom Smith 1768 Levi Smith 1810 Divers Smith 1856 Ambrose Hammi Turtle Smith 1790.....
I have not done a dna. My Smiths are mainly Notts., Leics, and Derbys. My Grandmother, Beatrice was born in Whitwick, Leics in 1880; and is in the 1881 census at Bulwell Forest travelling with her Grandfather, Levi 1810-1883.
 
All the best
David.

 Well Kazi if I match to all these lines of Smiths it must meen way back in time they all matched to each other, this is my dna match  below I only give her first name for she goes by her marridge name now and of course i will not put such things up.

  So on the free bits of information you may see a Certificate of Henry Clayton or Smith 1833 and photos of people like Adeliza Booth  Beatrice Booth  Nathaniel Booth (1861Albert Booth Aaron James Booth.   

Her Granmar is Mary Keziah Booth of Oakham Rutland,  Mary's Mother and Father were  Nathaniel Booth 1861 1934
Of Barleythorpe, Rutlandshire and Adeliza Alice Ann Smith 1864–1925 of Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire Nathaniel Mother was Emma Booth of Hoby Leicestershire and his Father was Henry Booth of Dally Leicestershire Adeliza Mother was Ryerdunty Smith born 1817- of Waltham, Leicestershire, and her Father was Napthali  Smith 1820–1865 of Melton Mowbray Leicestershire They all come out of Sophia Smith of Rutland1790–1853 Jane Smith of Stafordshire 1770–1802
Ambrose Hammi Turtle Smith 1790-of Marston Trussell, Northamptonshire.


If you do look back a few pages you will see these names above mentioned by people who have dna matched to me and are from the Smiths so this Lady named Lesley Of Lincolnshire is another connecting dna match in the common Ancestor range, I share six dna matches with Lesley that are all from the Gipsy Family's of old, they  include another Smith Girl who only shows a few names on her profile but one is a marridge of a

Drewcilla Smith to a Edward Charlotte, Drewcillas Mother was Phoebe Smith, 1885–1988
there are Smiths on both of sides of this matches Family tree but most of the information you will only see if you write to your dna match and pass a sort of test, then they may let you see and know more, a great many of my Gipsy related dna matches share a free basic family tree that opens your eyes to the past, you then must write to them for far more in depth Family knowledge that you may then see if they like you to some degree, they have spent much time i suppose on gathering all the information over many years so they guard this information in some respect until they get to know you, some of my Gipsy Matches in relations are quite cold and hide evan their Ethnicity, i wander what goes through their minds then i stop wandering for when i go into their minds i find its is a cold unwelcoming place so i leave such thoughts alone, i do not write to no one, Janey said i could join Her profile as did Sky but i think its for the best i stay alone, i do thank them though, it was a kind thing to do and i am sure good luck will come and pass their way.   

Take a look Kazi through the names above like i say these Booths may be known to you, let me know if you get the chance to read this, i have told you of the Booths down the South connected to the Coopers who i match to and the Booths connected to the Sherriffs who i dna match to, you told me these are not the ones you have knowledge of so are these Booths above who i dna match to connected to the Booths you are looking for, if not i will let you know when more comes to light.

I do hope you are well and take care of youself..michael
 



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Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Saturday 10 April 21 09:29 BST (UK)  »
   Helo Kevin pleased to meet you and i hope you are well, yes you come up on Ancestry as a distant relative of mine through the dna sequence in the common ancestor range, it must be through your ancestors known as the Scamps for i have several connections to the same people through more Gipsy Family's like the Beaneys and Gardiners who Ancestry puts me as related to them, i also am dna related to a Girl born from a Scamp Mother the Father i think was a Clark, all their related matches that we both share are of the Gipsies. In my research into the Family clusters that have taken the Ancestry dna test i looked through their own unique dna which was tested as individuals, well i find i match through dna to them all, i dna match to several Bucklands and reading of their Family lines, well these Bucklands are all close relatives and i match through my own dna to all of them, this analyse is surely a validation of logical data.   

Ancestry send me names of Gipsy's from Europe, several now, they write in their profile how they are Roma Romany and true not a drop of British dna in their body yet i have the full British dna yet me and my Romany Cousins from the Americas and Europe share far of dna, in life you are what is inside you, Ancestry claim me and you are and share fragments of dna from a common Ancestor that is still alive in us in this day when i look into your Ancestor's i find the match through the Scamps linage, i match through dna to Male and Female Lees born in this day from born and bred Lees, the Scamps seem to me to be an old Gipsy Family connected to the Lees they all are more than likely from the same People so in this sense names do not matter so maybe the dna is showing up ancient long lines that in this day names just cloud the arisen, we share in this day about a lock of hair the same as what people used to cut from the dead and save in a golden locket to feel close to their loved ones, now in this day through the science of dna and the fine people that run Ancestry well again this new road is being built that i think in the future will show and ignite a light that will never dim, evan in the doubted mind, maybe there is no one true answer its just our mind as not developed to cope with this sort of intricate information, i am not educated through school to no standard yet i have tryed my best to educate myself in the science of life, i remotely understand the universe as in the periodical table, the Elements and have come to know that maths are the building blocks of everything, all revolves around numbers, you can make anything work if you wish but is it the true reading of numbers, if you die in this life a success and one who champions a said road as in a true pass, for what of such things for if in after your death the road you trod was an uneven road that only pleased those with not the mind to think freely, people it is said are of the animal kingdom and the humans used to be followers like the herds of other beasts, some meat eaters some grass grazers, mostly i think we all come from a tribe like animal that is still there in the inside of us all, then we found fire we found grain we found the wheel, we stopped being hunters on the move and started to form community's over thousands of years we stopped grunting for we needed language to barter with the other settled tribes who also grew crops and kept livestock for food and trade, in the past we just had to be able to kill on the run so maybe a sort of quite singe language was the first language, i do think though from reading others thoughts that they themselves in their mind thoughts reconnect to more the herd followers, now in the flight or fight mindset which i think is hotwired into us all over thousands of yeares of evolution it is said that when we left the trees in our monkey state it was because the forests were diminishing and vast open prairie lands were being formed by the giant ice melts of long ago, that's when our backs started to unstoop and we walked around learning now to run from the beasts that were stronger than us, in the end it is said we became civilised as nations as we had conquered and colonised the world all others were tamed or killed in the wake that followed the wave cast forth adrift the ship, i do not really know anything of the Gipsy's from the South of these English lands yet time and time again now Ancestry send me old Cousin dna matches of names like Cooper Wells Lock Harrison Small Burton and many more that i think come from the South, i do not know of these Peoples yet through me just tyring to think straight it must meen in the far times Gipsy's must have been generally all connected to each other, more than likely all of them stem from just a few Family tribes that contained several Family's then over in Britain to a certain amount they split up and interbred with the locals, then in this time some would be of the North and some of the South i think Ancestry as shown me through my dna that they all are from the ones that were first all together and by me being distantly related to the Roma and Gipsy Peoples of Europe well it proves in my own mind that all Peoples from the Gipsy's are from the same Peoples.

Kevin it would be great if you could write of  Flora Scamp 

michael

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Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Sunday 21 March 21 20:32 GMT (UK)  »
Kazi

Thank you again like i say i will look also, look after yourselve Kazi

 michael
 

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Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Thursday 18 March 21 19:20 GMT (UK)  »
 Kazi

 did you ever get to learn anything about the Bacons, i tried my best to find everything i could for them, they are stated as coming up from the South and living over at Selston, from reading your posts i think you said one of Old old Gipsy George Smiths brothers William went around as William Bacon for i found him with that as a alias, then you said the Smiths and Bacons are related then on my dna i have Smith cousins related to the Grays with the Bacon's and Smiths in their family tree, i would like to know if you found out who the Bacons are i found large amounts i wrote it all up here

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=803537.msg6616171#msg6616171

if you do not know anything just do not write back, read all the storeys thoe that i found on the link above, i wonder if it was William over at Hawthorne street on that camping ground when that thomson said of them as so-called, i wonder if that was William Smith and who are the Bacon's from the South.

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Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Wednesday 17 March 21 21:13 GMT (UK)  »

Kazi

  You have done great, well done i thank you so much for the information you showed me, you do not have to do any more you have given me enough for two life times, i will try to find information in the storeys that we have found over the years i have wrote them down before in several threads so i will see if i can find them again and put them on here so you will be able to see them all in one go, look at this below Joseph is Sky's Granddad or Gr Grandad i think and would be a Uncle i think of some sorts to my Mother or Cousin maybe, but the strange thing was i showed Sky this story long ago and i wanted her to think of the Smith connection but she never said anything, i do not think she picked up on what i wanted her to see, the story tells of Joseph being related to these Smiths, why Sky never said anything i do not know, i think She relies more on the census and legal notes that most Genealogy people think of as concrete answers, also the story below the first one is about Gipsy's fighting in Nottingham a good read the article in full and the new place names where some of them stayed like White Horse Field which i have not known of, the Smiths in the article i am sure connect to old old George Gipsy Smith, i have offten wrote about Red Lion Street Narrow Marsh everyone of the old ones are connected to that place in one time or another, like Keswick street they are all demolished now but i know every step where they are in this day i will show you maps another time to help you, there is no need now to help me no more for you have done for me a great deed and i would not like to trouble you no more, thank you again Kazi i will write another time when i get everything together for you, it may be a few months but i will look for what i have found and see if there is more of anything, old Gipsy George Smith that my Mother new as a relative of some sorts from the older times had a George and a Sidney and one of his Daughters was Jane Janey Janis from what i remember Janis was a real nice person and evan in this day if ever i chance to meet Her we have a hug, Her Mam and Dad are long gone now they must come from one of the older Smiths round Nottingham, we are all from the Sneinton way like the old old old Smiths that i have offten wrote about, good Luck to you Kazi you done good by me i will write back later i promise maybe i will not find no more but at least you will see the things i did find, 

michael



A DERBY DISTURBANCE. NOTTM.
                           HAWKER HIS WEALTHY SONS-IN-LAW.
 
Saturday 17 June 1916
 Nottingham Evening Post
   Nottinghamshire

A  melee in the Derby Cattle Market on Friday, in which prisoner was rescued from custody and a constable had to make use of his staff, had a sequel at the police-court to-day. Joseph Wiltshire, hawker, 6, Gedling-street, Nottingham, was fined 10s.  assaulting Pc. Bristow, and for assaulting Special Constable H. A. Wallace (market  superintendent), whom he struck several times on the face and body; while Alfred Smith, dealer,  living in a van at Cotton-lane, was fined 7s. 6d. for fighting. Bristow apprehended Smith and his antagonist, whereupon Wiltshire (the father-in-law of the men) and others intervened and succeeded in getting one of the prisoners away. Wiltshire then ran off, but was stopped by Mr. Wallace who told the Bench that Wiltshire made a mad struggle for freedom. Wiltshire, against whom there were eight previous convictions. including one for police assault, stated that  his sons-in-law had a lot of money in their possession and was afraid they would be robbed.

  Friday 27 December 1929
   Nottingham Evening Post
     Nottinghamshire
extract
POLICE COURT ECHOES OF CHRISTMAS. PEOPLE CHARGED IN NOTTINGHAM. SCRAP BETWEEN GIPSIES BRIDLESMITH-GATE. The Christmas festivities had echo at Nottingham Guildhall to-day,   two gangs of gipsies, who started fighting in Bridle-Smith-Gate on Christmas Eve, were summoned to appear, they were: George William Welbourne,18, living in a caravan Cromford-avenue. Carlton; Sidney Smith,18. of Red Lion-street; John Lee, 21. caravan dweller Wollaton Park; and Alfred Smith, 25, of Barker-gate, William Holland, 22 Red Lion-street; Thomas Albert, Smith, 34, Red Lion-street .Clara English 22 Red Lion Street John Lee, White Horse field Wollaton

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Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Tuesday 16 March 21 20:58 GMT (UK)  »
   
Hi Kazi

 More great bran new information that is in this time the first time that such information as ever passed by my eyes, Sue and Sky have helped me in the past but you have showed me now evan more truth, all three of you have been bringers of truth that as opened my eyes, if you look at this story below would you know if the Smith Girl is of the Nottingham Smiths for i am sure when Henry says

 " My son married this woman's sister " well i am sure he is talking of the Smith girl, do you know of a Ellen Smith who as a Sister who would have married Henry's Son, its just a try by me by reading reports, thank you again for telling me of the information you located, i never new David died in the hospital my Mother telled of a young David who died then Sue and Sky found things for me to back up the old oral talk that i would sit and liston to as my Mother would have long chats with me about life long ago, She says David had a sort of scarf rapped around his neck and was poorly only a little fellow he was, my Mother was just only a child herself but remembers many of those young moments, Sue and Sky found things that i will forever be grateful for and then you come along and just be a sort of nice person, that's not a bad sort of thing to be and do, i think it may help myself to think more on being a better person myself, i will write back if i find another Smith that may connect, you never know but Gipsy George Smith said we was Cousins in his talk to my Mother and i would talk with one of His Daughters and She would say the same, they new the old Romany talk but all the old people now are gone and it doesn't take long for everything to vanish, i learned lots of what they call the Romany words to but in the city all the people of the Gipsy's would be dealing people and you would know of the cant language of the city dealers, when i came along i learned both but thought them as just one language, but how was i to know, then when i met lots of Gipsy people by talking to them on-line over many of these past yeares and reading things well i realised lots of words was old Romany and lots was old cant, it was an eye opener to be able to separate the two and go back in my mind and remember the times they were used.

In this story below it may be the other girl Henry is talking about but Henry knows this Smith Girl there may be a clue in some of the deatail in this story.


Monday 17 september 1934 Nottingham evening post

GENTLEMAN AND HIS LADY FRIENDS.
NOTTM. DRUNKENNESS CHARGE.

 When Henry Wiltshire, 50, hawker, of St. Ann'street, appeared before the magistrates with two women companions at the Nottingham Guildhall to-day, jointly charged with being drunk and disorderly in Milton-street on Saturday night, he declared himself to be a "gentleman," and took it upon himself the full blame for the lapse of the women. The women were Ellen Smith, 27, and Rose Ann Stranther, 40. Referring to one of them, Wiltshire declared :" My son married this woman's sister, and I had not seen this girl for a few years. They are here through me getting them drunk. "Its my fault." The Bench however, imposed fines. Wiltshire and Smith were fined the higher amounts

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Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Monday 15 March 21 21:22 GMT (UK)  »
  Helo Kazi

Thank you for helping me and I will write back another time, you have been very kind to me and I will always remember you with fondness, thank you for finding the true date in confirming my thoughts, I see you as you in your kind deeds and wish for good luck to pass your way.

This below is about Elik, we both wrote a few times to each other, in life you get one shot, Elik was on the front line and a good kind person, I will always speak of his great name and also wish you to read these words below, Elik was also kind to me in the days of the past, Elik spoke  but a few words to me yet the few could outshine the vast books of the so-called who passed their judgment on people that they only fooled and the foolish who also in this day willingly believe a room that contains holds truth, but what does contain mean if not to shakle, why not look through free eyes, why is a trying word, better to leave the fools with fools words for they know not how to try, I stayed round Lanark for a few days once on my way up to the higher mid lands of Scotland, I will always remember Elik, why would I ever forget him.
   
Elic Kennedy
 
8 February 2010
ON CHRISTMAS Eve the Gypsy Traveller community saw, with great sadness, one of our finest men travel on from us. Following a short and sudden illness, Elic passed away at Hairmyres Hospital in South Lanarkshire.

Alexander Kennedy was born 60 years ago last August in Lanark, but it wouldn't have mattered where, as he loved every part of this country. He was a proud Romany Gypsy man whose family roots lay in and around the Lanark, Borders and Edinburgh areas. He was a direct descendant of one of the foremost Romany Gypsy families in Scotland and could trace his bloodline back to the Queen of the Yetholm Gypsies, Esther Faa Blyth.

Elic loved his culture, its traditions, its way of life, history and language.

He was an artist of some considerable talent. He could make anything out of wood and created many paintings (none of which he would sell for profit) depicting scenes of Gypsy Traveller life including the caravans and wagons of yesteryear.

Elic was a great character who lived life to the full. He had a great sense of fun and loved engaging with people from all walks of life. He loved nothing better than taking his vardo (traditional Romany wagon] to what is now left of the traditional Gypsy gatherings such as St Boswells, Brough Hill and Appleby. The first thing he would do was light up a "stick fire" where everybody would congregate and pass the time of day. Whether you were Giorgio or Gypsy Traveller you would walk away with a history lesson. If you hung about long enough, and many did, you would get a right good feed from the many pots cooking over the fire (nouvelle cuisine was certainly not on his menu).

Elic and his family had recently become settled in Symington, but he had spent most of his life on the road, first with his parents and then with his wife, Freda, and his own family, trying to maintain his traditional way of life. He was a man to whom fairness mattered and he despised prejudice and injustice in any form.

Elic, along with many others from the Gypsy Traveller community, was well acquainted with misunderstanding and discrimination. It was such experiences that made him determined to work towards redressing the balance and he became a passionate advocate and activist for his community. He treated everyone as an equal, had no time for posturing and pretension and was very quick to pick up on it.

Elic made a significant contribution to the Scottish Government's Strategic Working Group on Gypsy Travellers. He was particularly concerned about issues such as accommodation and recognition of Gypsy Travellers as an ethnic minority in Scotland. He lobbied MPs, local and national, and he became a force to be reckoned with and could debate with anyone for hours to prove a point if he thought he was right.

One of the things that angered him most was how Gypsy Travellers were portrayed by the media and he would grab every opportunity and invitation to speak about the positive aspects and all that is good about our lifestyle and culture .

Elic truly was a one-off and his passing is a loss not only to our own community but to the many whose lives he touched. He has left a lasting legacy in his family, who will carry on the traditions and heritage he so proudly preserved.

Be assured Elic, wherever you are, there are still, and will continue to be, "Hearts upon The Highway".

Elic is survived by his wife, his sons and grandchildren.
By MARY HENDRY
Born: 22 August, 1949, in Lanark.

Died: 24 December, 2009, in East Kilbride, aged 60.

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Travelling People / Re: Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher
« on: Sunday 14 March 21 21:17 GMT (UK)  »
  The Story of The Gold Coined People

 there was a portrait photo of my GrandMother, that hung on a wall above what looked to me like a shrine, She was what is known as a Rawney Monition, She was one of the last of the true Gold Coin People, in each ear She had a Gold Sovereign, my Mother said it had to be an half Sovereign for the weight would be to much if the full one dangled down, then on Her chest She wore the Gold Coin Broach a big looking thing, they say it was called a Five pound Gold Coin,  She wore a bonnet with a  small feather in, She was Regale and of the highest order, the Woman I was told would wear the Gold Coin rings, you would either in the past make them yourself or have a ring made from a gold smith, I was speaking to a man says his names Stanley from down the way, he said the old Stanley's called them the raparound, now my Mother told of long years when She was small, old relatives told Her of long ago talk, its at least the middle times of the 1800s, but they themselves could of been telling what there Old People told them, but my Mother told of how the Woman would plait Coins into their hair, this was more or less a looking thing, but She also telled how She was telled that they would hide Golden Coins in their hair, so the Coins could be safe, She says they could be woven in, in such a way you could not see them or they could not fall out ,it was there answer to having a bank account, this is what as been passed down to me, oral history, the old photo of my GrandMother is the seeing record of such things of Gipsy's now gone, I saw my own Mother with Golden Coins in Her ears and on Her fingers, plus Golden Coin Broaches  that where hand made and welded together, I have always worn the Gold Coins round my neck, and hand made Golden Coin rings, this is the truth of today, also the Woman liked to wear beaver skin coats, for when it rained the water would not penetrate, they were far from the weak and downtrodden you may hear of, they were much more powerful than anyone now alive will ever know, they have been left out of history, these are the Gold Coin People
 





Kazi this is your updated information that you found and wrote to me, thank you for sharing things I hope to write more in the future with all the many records that I have found

“ Hi, I have an update on George Oxby Smith and his wives...

George Oxby Smith was born in a tent, Staunton-on-the-Wolds, Notts on the 13 March 1868.  On his birth cert his father is given as John Smith a Labourer and his mother as Mary Smith, Previously Smith.

He was Baptised 18 Mar 1868 Staunton-on-the-Wolds, Notts.  His father is given as John Smith, mother Maria - Gipsy's.

As previously stated in this thread, on the 1891 census he is encamped in Checkley, Cheadle, Staffs aged 24 with Ellen Smith (Clayton) 21, Arthur Smith 24, Mary Ann Smith 24 (our direct ancestor) and her child Francis Smith aged 1.

George Oxby Smith died on 5 Feb 1947 at 4 Keswick Street Sneinton, Nottingham.  His death was registered by E Doyle, daughter of 4 Keswick Street.  She is Ellen Hetty Smith bn 1 Jul 1920, her mother being Agnes White. Ellen Hetty is now the partner of an Andrew Doyle 1915-1980.
George was buried 11 Feb 1947 Wilford Hill Cem, Nottingham in the same grave as Agnes and their son Albert Henry Smith 1925-1955 (he died in Sidcup, Kent).”

 


So now George Oxby Smith died on 5 Feb 1947 at 4 Keswick Street Sneinton, so he was alive at the same time as a George Smith of Keswick Street Sneinton attacked my Grandmother in 1941 but which George was it, you have told how there was a son named George I wander is that Gipsy George Smith our stated cousin which I would often see about the town, I wander to what have I missed and am I right, was there more to this story no one was ever interested in telling my Mother the truth in fact they lied but why, my Mother told me after the attack her Mother went on a slow spiral of death that in truth never left the soul of my own Mother, they are both gone now and like the two Georges the two Rebecca's and the rest in these story's are all gone to this world may they all rest in peace…that’s just the way of it.

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