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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry Problems...
« on: Friday 15 March 24 18:06 GMT (UK)  »
Me too.  I have to enter things a few times and refresh the page to stop everything from jumping around and searching for text you just deleted.  Annoying.

Debra  :)
Glad it's not just me :o. It's very annoying to think many people may not notice, and they are doing searches with zero results thinking there's nothing there  :(.

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry Problems...
« on: Friday 15 March 24 18:00 GMT (UK)  »
And a new problem I've just discovered - records from "England and Wales National Probate Calendar 1858-1995" aren't coming up in search results.
They now come up under the 'deaths' category (in Births, Marriages, Deaths), not in the wills. I wasn't sure whether that was a change or not. I can see why they might have moved it, since all post 1858 wills list an exact date of death. And I suppose they are not wills per se but a wills calendar. But if you are looking to see if someone post 1858 left a will or administration and you search in the wills category, it won't find anything which I suppose is stupid. Can they not put things in more than one category.

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry Problems...
« on: Friday 15 March 24 11:12 GMT (UK)  »
Yes I have been having a few glitches on Ancestry such as the bad gateway message and "page no long available" etc.
One quite specific problem that has arrived in the past month or so, is on the search page - if you change the date, and try and set a range i.e. +/-5 years, it will consistently ignore you, and simply search for that date, the first time, second time it works, very annoying. It will also refuse to remove places you have put in other boxes, say you had a place in the Any box, then changed to the Born in box, it won't remove the other one first time ???.

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This dataset on ancestry was always dated to 1912, and has often been cited on rootschat

UK, Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, 1846-1912, on ancestry.

But it was "updated" on 17/10/2022, presumably the title was changed then

I do remember doing a search after the update, I can't remember now if any new records showed after 1912. If there were any they have been removed.
That's strange jon, perhaps they meant to add more records but actually didn't, wouldn't be surprised ::)!.

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The National Archives help page on Asylums, lists the Ancestry dataset as
"Patients’ admission registers (1846-1912)"
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/mental-health/

So it looks to be a titling mistake on Ancestry's part. The National Archives page also lists:

Criminal lunacy warrant and entry books (1882-1898)
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=9162
Search the criminal lunacy warrant and entry books by name at Ancestry.co.uk (charges apply). These cover criminals who were confined at asylums after being certified at court, or after imprisonment, as being insane (HO 145/1-9).

Criminal lunatic asylum registers (1800-1843)
Search criminal lunatic asylum registers by name at Ancestry.co.uk (charges apply). These include Bethlem Hospital registers 1823-1843 and registers from county and metropolitan lunatic asylums 1800-1839 (HO 20).

Ancestry's date ranger differs to what the National Archives state
England, Criminal Lunatic Asylum Registers, 1820-1876
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/9163/

Findmypast also has the following
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/historical-records?region=united-kingdom&keywords=mental&page=1&order_direction=desc&order_by=relevance

Scotland, Mental Health Institutions Registers & Admissions   94,722   
Wiltshire Asylum Registers, 1789-1921   27,761   
Prestwich Asylum Admissions 1851-1901   22,722   
Yorkshire, Sheffield, Asylum & Hospital Admissions & Subscriptions 1748-1937   19,103   
South Yorkshire Asylum, Admission Records   17,368   
Kent, Bexley Asylum Minute Books, 1901-1939   11,752   
Scotland Mental Health Institutions Registers & Admissions 1808-1883   63,313   
British Armed Forces, First World War Disability & Retirement Payments For Officers & Nurses   36,239   
London, Asylum For The Deaf & Dumb Pupils 1792-1859   899   
London, Bethlem Hospital Patient Admission Registers and Casebooks 1683-1932   247,517   
London, Bethlem Hospital Patient Admission Registers and Casebooks 1683-1932  129,898   


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That's interesting Melba,

Thanks for posting.

Kit
I thought it might be useful if people have been rather confused if they find a person in the 1921 census in an asylum/mental hospital, or have found a death certificate up to 1921, and yet couldn't find an admission on the Ancestry indexes. So this explains why! I should note that on the census people in asylums/mental hospitals were more often listed with initials, I think by 1921, first initials and surname, but earlier I think all initials (first name, surname, but sometimes reversed) were sometimes used which makes it difficult to find people - Ancestry's search setting 'exact' seems to be more useful for this. Also I think by 1921, and perhaps 1911 exact birthplaces were usually given, but earlier often nothing was put.
 If anyone wants to check my methodology - go to the search page and put in 1912 in the Institution Place - Year box, click exact, it gives 22,876 results, 1911 gives 23,777, 1910 21,458. If you put in 1913, 1914, 1915 etc. up to 1921, no results ::)!

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The Common Room / Re: 23andme Shared Relatives facility back!
« on: Saturday 09 March 24 21:07 GMT (UK)  »

Logged onto 23andme this morning and found that the Shared Relatives facility is back!

It makes such a difference, - I can now work out many matches that I’ve been stuck with on that Site.

Romilly 🙂
Thanks for the heads up Romilly :)!

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The Common Room / Ancestry Lunacy Patients Asylum Admissions - no records after 1912
« on: Saturday 09 March 24 19:37 GMT (UK)  »
It seems Ancestry's title for their dataset, and the source information below, is wrong. The Commissioners in Lunacy was replaced in 1913 by the Board of Control for Lunacy and Mental Deficiency, and it appears only the admissions under the old Commissioners of Lunacy up to 1912 are actually included in Ancestry's dataset. I assume Ancestry in fact have no data on Asylum/Mental Hospital admissions from 1913-21 or afterwards.

Ancestry.com. UK, Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, 1846-1921 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: Commissioners in Lunacy, 1845–1921. Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, Series MH 94. The National Archives, Kew, England.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/9051/

This page confirms the Commissioners merged into the Board of Control in 1913
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F260716

This is the National Archives parent category that includes all the old Commissioners and later Board of Control records
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/h/C621

Admissions records can be browsed here (none by name, just by volume), but none after 1912 have been indexed or digitized online so would need to be consulted at the National Archives
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/h/C21184/cfirst

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Upcoming changes to tools at AncestryDNA
« on: Saturday 02 March 24 14:36 GMT (UK)  »
Very welcome changes.

I did note that an extra subscription will be required, but that is not unexpected.

Still the single best improvement that Ancestry could make is for the DNA Match name to be their Full Birth Name and not one like “sandij145” which coupled with no tree has very little value other than bulking up shared match list
It is up to people who do the test if they want to share that, that is why the option to only use a username is available.

It is a wrong option

If all they want is their Ethnicity, that is fine.

What Ancestry should have is a check box to share their DNA, defaults to Not Share.

If they choose to share then their true Birth Name should be displayed.

Why do I want to see thousands of DNA matches that are unrecognisable?

They are just clogging up my Match list.
A person can choose an anonymous username but still have a private tree which is linked and will link common ancestors, or just a tree with their own name and any living forebears blanked as usual.

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