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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Returning an Ancestry DNA sample
« on: Saturday 21 December 24 10:48 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: deoxy on Saturday 21 December 24 09:38 GMT (UK)
Hello I’m not sure which Royal Mail postbox a returned Ancestry DNA sample should go in. I assume it would be the one for franked mail. Could someone advise me please? Thank you.
I think any Royal Mail post box is fine, I think it has tracking details that Ancestry can see (but not you). It will be first sent to Ancestry Ireland then mass shipped to the lab in the US, hopefully it in 3-4 weeks it should show as arrived on the DNA progress tracker on the Ancestry DNA page.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Abnormally high cM for extreme distance matches (Cannaday lineage)
« on: Sunday 15 December 24 11:40 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: goldfinch99 on Sunday 15 December 24 11:07 GMT (UK)
Interesting, as the Cannaday/Kennedy line is supposed to descend from one of the Scottish kings!

Yes, the US lines do have continuing intermarriage with 2nd or third cousins and the same names appear in multiple places in peoples trees about 6 or 7 generations ago so that I can quickly see key names and know they're in this Cannaday grouping.

I can clearly see this without needing pro-tools.  I would like to try pro-tools at some point though.

But I am in England, and I can't see how that line has combined with mine as it's happened so far back that I can't trace my lines that far back.
Connecting US lines with any certainty is very difficult. Even if we are talking about closer relatives where British born people were still alive at the censuses, US censuses only give country of birth, not place. But sometimes it might be clearer because a surname is more unusual and you can see a clear pattern that matches with some other non US cousins on a line. Also sometimes, death certificates of some places, like NYC gave people's birth parents and at least countries of birth. Also if the line has been thoroughly researched on the American side tracing the origins in Britain or Ireland through means like wills, land deeds, local government records etc. (church records, except in large towns and cities rarely survive before the early 1800s) and published in various books you might also have a chance to work out the connection.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Abnormally high cM for extreme distance matches (Cannaday lineage)
« on: Sunday 15 December 24 10:59 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: goldfinch99 on Sunday 15 December 24 10:22 GMT (UK)
I've noticed about three different lines in my matches that give abnormally high cM matches (up to about 25cM) in large numbers, dozens of matches on these lines, but the common ancestor is impossible to work out yet must be at least 400 to 500 years ago before the lines split into UK/N. American sections.

I am curious how likely it is that these are real lines vs something else? This Cannaday lineage, some light checking of trees in Ancestry suggests, descend from Kennedy noble lines in Scotland that had several generations of very close cousin marriages.  I think this could be a valid reason for the DNA signals to remain strong for so long, and combine that with the thousands of descendants on these lines, it could mean that if just 1% of the descendants carry enough DNA and match to each other it could be real?

Has anyone else got this line in their DNA matches and researched it?  Is it something that's known to genealogists?

Thank you if anyone can shine any light on this.
You see this quite a lot, I call it sticky segments. In my case, I can see all the people have origins in a certain area, but working out what the common ancestor is may be very difficult if not impossible. ProTools can help as you can use to work out sub groups of closely related people. Then you have less overall lines to try and join up. In the case of American relatives, you may have had a relative who went to another rural area of the US, or became part of a relatively small religious group as David suggests, and their descendants consequently intermarried keeping that segment undivided.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry kits just £39 until 3rd November
« on: Saturday 14 December 24 19:03 GMT (UK)  »
Offer on again until 16th December with this link

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/c/dna/pulse?o_sch=Email+Campaigns

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: How much is Ancestry currently charging for a DNA test?
« on: Thursday 28 November 24 13:54 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Althea7 on Wednesday 27 November 24 13:03 GMT (UK)
I just had a look at MyHeritage and they are offering DNA testing for £29 plus (unspecified amount) shipping, with a month's free access to their trees, and when I moved my mouse to close down the page a pop up window offered free shipping too.

I am still undecided.
MyHeritage price is a bit misleading, as I think, one you have to pay to send it to the US, and two I think you have to get a years subscription to see any meaningful results. Do an Ancestry test and wait until they do a free upload (they seem to do it about once a year).

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry DNA kit just £39 until 3rd December
« on: Monday 25 November 24 17:07 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: bearkat on Monday 25 November 24 14:36 GMT (UK)
This offer is back  :D. It's a really good price (postage extra).

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/c/dna/kit2

Offer ends 03 Dec 2024 at 11:59 pm
Also on Amazon for £49 if you want it a bit quicker and have Prime, and aren't interested in the £1 for 3 months Worldwide subscription. Otherwise, and if you want more than one kit, getting from Ancestry is the better offer as they reduce postage for extra kits i.e. so 2 kits would be about £95 inc. standard P&P :). From experience, I know even getting siblings of people you have already tested help to make those more distant ancestral connections as siblings inherit about 50% different DNA from the parents. Testing cousins, half cousins and 2nds also help to narrow down shared matches to a specific line.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AncestryDNA-Genetic-Ethnicity-Test-Estimate/dp/B0BLT7TC25

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The Common Room / Re: Roman Catholic baptisms. Was proof of marriage of parents needed?
« on: Thursday 21 November 24 10:25 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: reets3 on Wednesday 20 November 24 20:27 GMT (UK)
A Roman Catholic priest would not just take the parent's word that they were married in the Catholic faith.  If they were from a different parish, they would need to provide some documentation from the parish where they married. If the parents were not married, a note of illegitimate (or natural child) would be noted on the baptismal record.

The priests received remuneration for performing the sacraments, so you can be assured that the priest would check to see if there was a marriage, if only to get the benefit of performing two sacraments.                                           
But surely that became impractical to check, especially with Irish immigration to GB or further afield? Especially in some cases since RC registers were not even properly kept or curated in 19th C Ireland.

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The Common Room / Re: Wills proved at the Royalist Court at Oxford 1643-1646
« on: Saturday 09 November 24 11:22 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Gillg on Saturday 09 November 24 11:04 GMT (UK)
Fascinating stuff and how well you have set this information out, m_s.  Sadly my peasant family didn't leave any wills and my family came from a county not mentioned in the list.
Thanks Gill, I could see there was a bias towards the counties near Oxfordshire so I thought I 'd just do a a little sample, but then I thought, why not do the whole lot :o :D. I admit I didn't check all the Scottish counties though! The problem is, as for Wales, they are just listed by the old style county - usually -shire, and are not tagged with the individual part of of the UK so a search for just Wales or Scotland doesn't work. I'd be surprised if there were any Scottish ones there though.

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The Common Room / Re: Wills proved at the Royalist Court at Oxford 1643-1646
« on: Friday 08 November 24 16:13 GMT (UK)  »
And finally 25 people who are not of any place, but also those listed at Oxford where it has not been listed as in Oxfordshire, and some Berks, Lincs, and Wilts!

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=NOT%20%2Ashire%20NOT%20servant%20NOT%20colonel%20NOT%20lord%20NOT%20knight%20NOT%20sir%20NOT%20lady%20NOT%20baron%2A%20NOT%20suffolk%20NOT%20norfolk%20NOT%20essex%20NOT%20kent%20NOT%20sussex%20NOT%20surrey%20NOT%20london%20NOT%20middlesex%20NOT%20dorset%20NOT%20devon%20NOT%20cornwall%20NOT%20majest%2A%20NOT%20major%20NOT%20somerset%20NOT%20ireland%20NOT%20bristol%20NOT%20sequence&_dss=range&_sd=1640&_ed=1650&_ser=PROB%2010&id=C12121

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