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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Stewarts of Londonderry
« on: Saturday 29 December 18 11:22 GMT (UK) »
Wow Elwyn, Lots of great info! Really appreciate it!
Here's what I have relative to what you've found. I'd found Dorothea Walker age 2 in the 1901 census. Yes, I agree it must be Elizabeth's daughter. Hadn't found the 1911 census yet so will look for that.
I also agree Andrew McMordie death in 1906 must be child of one of the males in the family. will take a look. I have found death record for Andrew McMordie's Sr. (Dorothea Stewart's husband), indexed in 1900 (death was Dec 1899). Explains why he's not in the 1901 census, and pins down their move to Scotland as prior to 1899. Will take a look at the marriage of John McMurdie. I agree that it could be Thomas John (unless there is a birth for a John that we're missing) as the age is about 2 years younger than expected.
As for William Stewart, I do have his wife's name from a few certificates which I've downloaded (records for Scotland, though expensive, are quite easy); this includes his death record from 1863. His wife was also born in Ireland (as per census records). Her name was Jane McKelvy/McKelvie depending on the record. Was mostly curious on finding the marriage record to see what information it might have had as I've never seen a record from Ireland.
I'm more curious in general how to find Ireland marriage records if any exist to see if I can find marriages for the siblings of James, Dorothy and William. From your response, I gather that that might prove very unlikely. I would still need to track down what happened to John Jr, Richard, and Mary Ann. Not certain what denomination they were in Ireland (whether Church of Ireland or Presbyterian). James and Margaret White were the only ones marrying in Scotland so far. They married in the Scottish Episcopal Church (not Church of Scotland). Not sure what that means though.
As to the report for the 1851 census. I'm curious about that as well. Dorothy did state that they were living with their grandfather Thomas Jones. Wondering if parents were alive or not. I believe Jane Jones was alive as there is a Griffiths Valuation for same townland in 1859 showing her leasing a house. No Thomas or John in that record, so I assume both had passed by that point (and perhaps Jane was left her father's house? Or John was alive, but the house is in Jane's name because it was her father's?; even so, would expect that John would be leasing land as he was a farmer?). There is a William also listed in the townland. I had thought it was Jane/John's son, but he was already in Scotland by 1859. So perhaps it is a brother of John? Or perhaps John's father (John & Jane's first son was William, so given naming patterns, this is a possibility)?
Would have loved to find death records for Jane Stewart (nee Jones), John Stewart, and Thomas Jones, but even having an idea of graveyards would be helpful.
Thanks so much for letting me "pick your brain" and expertise on this. I'm great with Scotland's records, but a bit lost when it comes to Ireland.
Here's what I have relative to what you've found. I'd found Dorothea Walker age 2 in the 1901 census. Yes, I agree it must be Elizabeth's daughter. Hadn't found the 1911 census yet so will look for that.
I also agree Andrew McMordie death in 1906 must be child of one of the males in the family. will take a look. I have found death record for Andrew McMordie's Sr. (Dorothea Stewart's husband), indexed in 1900 (death was Dec 1899). Explains why he's not in the 1901 census, and pins down their move to Scotland as prior to 1899. Will take a look at the marriage of John McMurdie. I agree that it could be Thomas John (unless there is a birth for a John that we're missing) as the age is about 2 years younger than expected.
As for William Stewart, I do have his wife's name from a few certificates which I've downloaded (records for Scotland, though expensive, are quite easy); this includes his death record from 1863. His wife was also born in Ireland (as per census records). Her name was Jane McKelvy/McKelvie depending on the record. Was mostly curious on finding the marriage record to see what information it might have had as I've never seen a record from Ireland.
I'm more curious in general how to find Ireland marriage records if any exist to see if I can find marriages for the siblings of James, Dorothy and William. From your response, I gather that that might prove very unlikely. I would still need to track down what happened to John Jr, Richard, and Mary Ann. Not certain what denomination they were in Ireland (whether Church of Ireland or Presbyterian). James and Margaret White were the only ones marrying in Scotland so far. They married in the Scottish Episcopal Church (not Church of Scotland). Not sure what that means though.
As to the report for the 1851 census. I'm curious about that as well. Dorothy did state that they were living with their grandfather Thomas Jones. Wondering if parents were alive or not. I believe Jane Jones was alive as there is a Griffiths Valuation for same townland in 1859 showing her leasing a house. No Thomas or John in that record, so I assume both had passed by that point (and perhaps Jane was left her father's house? Or John was alive, but the house is in Jane's name because it was her father's?; even so, would expect that John would be leasing land as he was a farmer?). There is a William also listed in the townland. I had thought it was Jane/John's son, but he was already in Scotland by 1859. So perhaps it is a brother of John? Or perhaps John's father (John & Jane's first son was William, so given naming patterns, this is a possibility)?
Would have loved to find death records for Jane Stewart (nee Jones), John Stewart, and Thomas Jones, but even having an idea of graveyards would be helpful.
Thanks so much for letting me "pick your brain" and expertise on this. I'm great with Scotland's records, but a bit lost when it comes to Ireland.
