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If you look at https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.57607&lon=-4.44230&layers=5&b=1 you can see that the parish boundary between Fodderty and Dingwall (dotted line) passes through the north end of the village of Maryburgh. Perhaps the enumerators were uncertain of the exact boundary and both recorded that same house or houses.

Ahhhh, that makes sense. Thanks!
Very interesting. Wonder what the family thought of doing this twice.  ;D

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If you search for
"Genuki, Maryburgh, Dingwall" 
and also search for
"Genuki, Maryburgh, Fodderty".

you'll get a result as it's the same place on the border..so maybe looks like the family didn't move.

"FODDERTY, a parish, in the county of Ross and Cromarty, 2 miles (W.) from Dingwall; containing the villages of Auchterneed, Keithtown, and Maryburgh"

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Fodderty,_Ross_and_Cromarty,_Scotland

Often on old maps there can be seen a short row of houses near railway lines, named as "Railway cottages".  I can haz\ard a guess that your railwayman could have been housed in railway property.

I do have a duplicate entry of an ancestor.  He's in the 1881 census as being the captain of a small ship in a Yorkshire harbour and on board are his wife, new born baby, and brother.   He and his wife and baby are also listed in another town and county with the rest of their children.   Probably what happened was the family census was filled in prior to census night and on the actual night the couple had taken a quick trip to show the older generation the new addition to the family.

That's absolutely fascinating. Thank you for this info, really clears up the discrepancy. :)

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Looking for some advice on an occurance that has left me a bit flummoxed. I have spoken about my Camerons before in other threads, though not about this particular query.

Here are links to some previous threads of mine about these Camerons;
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=821593.msg6865696#msg6865696
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=818860.msg6809071#msg6809071
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770816.msg6235556#msg6235556
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=195821.27

Now, onto this "incident".
My ancestors are Duncan Cameron and Flora Stewart.

Duncan born c.1808 in Ross & Cromarty, probably either Contin or "Redcastle". It varies by census.
Flora was born 1812, Killearnan.

I have the following children for them;

Fin(d)lay       b.1834, Wellhouse of Kilcoy, Killearnan
Flora             b.1837, Inverness
Duncan         b.1841, Linlithgow
Elizabeth       c.1845, Burntisland, Fife
Margaret       c.1847, Burntisland
Mary             c.1848, Burntisland
John             c.1851, Burntisland
Jane             c.1854, Old Machar, Aberdeen
Catherine      b.1856, Keith, Banffshire


I have the couple/family in the following census (excluding 1861 which I will explain at the end)

1841

High Street, Linlithgow

Duncan (30), a labourer  Flora (25) with children Finlay (7) and Flora (4). Also in the household are; Alexander Mccrea, Duncan Mccrea and Farquhar Mcgilvray

1851

6 Petty Road, Kinghorn, Fife

Duncan (40) - Maltster   "born Inverness"
Flora (40)  "born Inverness"

and children;

Finlay, 16, Flora, 14, Elizabeth, 6, Margaret, 4, Mary, 3

1861

See below

1871

Grange of Barry, Old Manse, Forfarshire (Angus)

Duncan (60) - Ag Lab "born Contin"
Flora (55) "born Redcastle"

Daughter, Jane Cameron (18) "born Aberdeen"
Grandson David Robertson (12) "born Aberdeen"

NB David Robertson was registered as David Cameron (illegitimate), born August 1858 at Land Street, Keith, Banffshire. Mother named as Flora Cameron. Informant was grandmother, Flora Cameron. David's mother Flora later married a John Crow in 1862, Kirkden, Angus

1881

15 Ernest Street, Arbroath, Angus

Duncan (72) - Ag lab "born Reed Castle, Ross"
Flora (61) "born Reed Castle, Ross"

Duncan then dies at this address in May 1882.

1891

24 Hamilton Green, Arbroath

"Mrs Cameron" (75) "born Red Castle" ,            Gaelic and English speaker.
John (35) - general labourer "born Burntisland" English speaking only.

Flora dies at Hamilton Green, Arbroath in December of that year.



Now, onto the issue with the 1861 census, they appear back in Ross and Cromarty, either in Fodderty or in Maryburgh?

From what I know, the census was taken as a snapshot of one night only and it was taken on the same day?

I will post snips of what I have from 1861. It looks like the exact same family given the ages, and places of birth? Could someone have been "pretending" to be them??

The first is listed on SP under Fodderty, Ross and Cromarty
The second is listed on SP under Dingwall, Ross and Cromarty
But they both appear to be in Maryburgh?

Note the difference between the way David Robertson aka Cameron is noted, in one he's a "son" in the other he's a "grandson".

Any help appreciated

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This is an old thread of mine, but it turned out to be a major turning point in my research. I would probably have still had this brick wall today if I hadn't posted here.

I'm really just wanting to show my appreciation for the work everyone did in helping me start my genealogy journey. I learned so much from this thread, and have carried forward skills required.

The discovery has led me to contacting
(and in one case, meeting a couple in 2019) other descendents of the Small family.

So, thank you everyone here!

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I am connected to Christian Davidson (1807-30/12/1890. Died at Maryton, Inverkeilor) who married Alexander Guild (1807-27/8/1869) died in Carmyllie. As you said married 1828
Christian is a twin.  Parents Andrew Davidson and Christian Petrie of Murroes
1851 Census
St Vigeans
Address: Grange Of Conon Cotterhouse   
________________________________________   
        Surname       First name(s)       Rel       Status       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born   
        GUILD       Alexander       Head       M       M       45       Agricultural Labourer        Angus - Barry   
        GUILD       Christina       Wife       M       F       44       Agricultural Labourer's Wife        Angus - Murroes   
        GUILD       Jane       Dau       -       F       11       Scholar        Angus - Dundee   
        GUILD       Betsy       Dau       -       F       9       Scholar        Angus - Dundee   
        GUILD       Thomas       Son       -       M       7       Scholar        Angus - Dundee   
        GUILD       Peter       Son       -       M       5       Scholar        Angus - Dundee

Hi, thanks for this information. I didn't notice that she was a twin. Fascinating.

Alexander Guild and Christian/Christina Davidson are my maternal 4x ggrandparents. Their daughter Jane is my ancestor.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« on: Wednesday 11 November 20 03:24 GMT (UK)  »
All this talk about Rose Street.
My paternal grandmother was born at 71 Rose St in 1885, her middle name was McCue but I don't think she was related to the family discussed in this thread.

Benny Lynch, Scotland's first World Champion boxer was born at 17 Rose St in 1913 but by then there had been a name change and the street was called Florence Street. Benny was wee but he threw a mean punch, as could my granny. Must have been something in the Sou' Side water  ;D

Fascinating! Thank you for this insight.
I notice there were a lot of Irish people in this particular area and surrounding streets at this time. Upon googling, the area seemed to be typical tenements of the era.

The name McCue can be alternatively McHugh

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Lanarkshire / Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« on: Tuesday 10 November 20 23:32 GMT (UK)  »
This looks to be Ellen's death from that info above, although the age looks to be an error on the index:

ELLEN CARBERRY
Age 70
1900
644/3 2384
Dennistoun

Did she never marry? No additional surname showing for her.

Monica

Thank you for this! I have the DC now. No she appears not to have married, she is listed as being single on the DC. The age is noted as being "about 70 years". Parents named as James Carberry and Mary Vance. She had Mary Ann Carberry aka McCue illegitimately with John McCue. Appears she never married him. Although Mary Ann was named as McCue on her MC to John Shanley.



There are three Carberry entries on the Griffith Valuations:

Carberry James              Cornavray                      Galloon     Fermanagh
Carberry Patrick            Kilmacbrack                    Galloon     Fermanagh
Carbery  Michael            Donagh                         Galloon     Fermanagh

www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/fermanagh/galloon.htm

Monica


Brilliant thank you. I am not very familiar with Irish research just now, it's all new to me. Doing my son's paternal side! So anything like this is very valuable.

It appears likely that the Carberrys were from Cornavray given what is on the 1881 census.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« on: Tuesday 10 November 20 20:32 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you everyone for taking time to respond. I should've included more information in my first post.

Have you found Mary Ann in a census after her marriage?

I have found Mary Ann's death cert. Sadly she died on 8th October 1886 aged 22 at Rose Street, Hutchesontown, Glasgow. Appears to be something in connection with childbirth. Parents named as John McCue (Steamship Stoker) and Helen Carberry.

Mary Ann was born illegitimate; March 1865, daughter of Helen Carbray, informant was Mary Carbray, grandmother.

Mary Ann married John Shanley, June 1885 at St Francis Chapel, Cumberland Street, Glasgow.

John Shanley and Mary Ann McCue had one child named Helen Shanley, born 22nd Sept 1886 at Hutchesontown.

Is the mother the Mary Carberry who died in Glasgow Calton in 1891 aged 79?

Mary Ann is incorrectly named as Mary Carberry's (aged 69) daughter in 1881. Helen Carberry aged 35 (1881) is Mary Ann's mother.

I have now got a copy of the death certificate of the Mary Carberry (79) who died 1891 at Calton, Glasgow. Parents were named as John Vance and Sarah McCormick. This Mary was the widow of James Carberry, Mason's labourer.
Informant was Ellen Carberry, signed with her mark.
I believe this is my Mary.


Mary Carborough
Parents James Carborough and Mary Vance
13 Mar 1855 Calton, Glasgow
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQWC-JYM


Got the birth certificate and I have included a snip. James Carborough/Carberry and Mary Vance were both born in Co. Fermanagh!

Thank you so much for this! I had never considered this spelling. My search parameters weren't wide enough to pick this up.

Now, the question is, where is this place in Fermanagh.

I had a quick search and Gaffy's suggestion of...

Could be the townland of Cornavray in the civil parish of Galloon, County Fermanagh:

... looks good.

I also found a place named Kinawley and wonder if this is also a possibility depending on interpretation by the enumerator?

Again, thank you so much to all of you for taking the time to help.













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Lanarkshire / Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« on: Tuesday 10 November 20 19:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hello everyone, sorry had a busy day and haven't had a chance to check everything else. I'll get back to you all soon. Thank you for taking time to reply and have a look at this. Bear with me.

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