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Perthshire / Re: KEIR/BRAND/FERGUSON of Perth, HELP!
« on: Monday 10 July 17 08:54 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Geoff on Monday 10 July 17 07:44 BST (UK)
Hi EBrand,

Have you checked the log for the ship he came out to Australia on?
The NSW Government Index for convicts may help you. With you having his name this list will tell you what ship he came out on, all the ship & immigration logs are on film, you will need the Reel Number to give you the correct film. If nothing else they should give you clues to follow up with.
These can be viewed at most good size libraries, where they have a Family History Section if your not close to your Gov Records Office.

Hope you have some success.
Geoff

Thanks Geoff!

George came to Western Australia so I'm not sure that the NSW Government Index would have him on there. I do know the ship he came on, the "Stag" in 1855, snd I've done many searches for his name, and all I end up with is a description of George. I can't find the listing of his parents.

Would there be anywhere in any convict record that would have to state the parentage?

EB

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Need help with handwriting!
« on: Monday 10 July 17 07:35 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both! I'll still wait a little to see if anyone else thinks differently, but Thomas was what I was thinking as well!

156
Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Need help with handwriting!
« on: Monday 10 July 17 07:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi there.

This is a marriage certificate that I'm finding hard to decipher. Would anyone be able to tell me what the very first name is on this photo? The last name is Madigan and the name underneath is Catherine Sheehey. These people were from Co. Limerick, in Ireland. I have an idea of what the name may be but didn't want to influence your answers.

All help is appreciated!

EB

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Perthshire / KEIR/BRAND/FERGUSON of Perth, HELP!
« on: Monday 10 July 17 06:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi there, my request may be specific, but I'm following a lead of possible relatives.

My issue is that my convict ancestor (George) was transported from Scotland to Australia in 1852. It is believed that he was born to David Brand and Janet Spittal, however I am having a hard time confirming this. I have a birth certificate for George with the parents Janet and David in 1816 in Culross, however there was another George born in 1820 to a John Brand and an Isabella Anderson. My George didn't have his parents names on his death certificate, and we have no keepsakes to say who his parents were.

I am now following a lead, as I know of other offspring of Janet Spittal and David Brand, to see if I can either get in contact with their descendants or find out information somehow that links my convict George to that particular family. I would love to confirm the link, as I've been stuck behind this brick wall for ages and have no idea how to get past it.

I know that one of David and Janet's children, so possibly a brother to my George, was David Brand (b.1810), and he married a Janet Ferguson in 1833 in Tulliallan, Perth. They had four children that I know of, Jane Macgeorge Brand (1837), David Brand (1839), Isobel Brand (1833) and Janet Spittal Brand (1835). I also know that Janet Spittal Brand married an Adam KEIR (1819-1905) and had 6 children (that I know of).

If anyone has any information or any idea where I could go next, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thank you.

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Perthshire / Re: Archibald McLean born Monzie 1827
« on: Monday 10 July 17 06:42 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: helke on Thursday 10 March 16 05:35 GMT (UK)
Looking for information about Archibald McLean migrated to Australia around 1859/60.

Hi Monzie,

I have a lot of McLean's in my family, born Scotland and migrated to Aus. Where did your McLean settle in Aus? If we have a connection I will be able to help you with the past possibly. Do you know the name of his wife, if he had one, and the names and dates of possible children?

EB

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Australia / Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« on: Saturday 08 July 17 07:03 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Jamjar on Friday 07 July 17 15:04 BST (UK)
Quote from: cando on Friday 07 July 17 12:16 BST (UK)
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Sep 1882  Bristol 6a/117
WATKINS Susan Elizabeth
COHEN Wolff

Susan's' first marriage

SANGER Susan Elizabeth 25 years  Father John SANGER
WATKINS Thomas
23 Sep 1869   Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

I'm sure you will find all the items about Woolf and his gambling on TROVE ie if it the same man.

Cando

Thomas and Susan on the 1871 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5YX-C5W

Susan as Elizabeth as widow on the 1881 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27X-K5YL

Susan with parents on the 1861 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KW-93Z

On the 1951 she is recorded as Elizabeth: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kd9/

There was a Walter as per death notice:

Death: Reg. year1934 Reg. no12660 WATKINS Walter Thos Jno father WATKINS Thos George mother Elizth Susan (Singer)

Death and funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203372372

Buried Springvale with his wife: Joshua Jordan Lawn, Row AM, Grave 13
Walter - 27 January 1934
Alice Ellen - 12 January 1937

Marriage: Reg. year1897 Reg. no502 WATKINS Walt Thos Jno to MUNDAY Alice Ellen

Jamjar

Thank you for all this! This is so great!!

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Australia / Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« on: Saturday 08 July 17 07:01 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Jamjar on Friday 07 July 17 13:09 BST (UK)
This looks like the death of the step daughter Polly ( Polly can be used for either Dorothy or Mary)

Reg. year1943 Reg. no4020 ADAMS Mary Susan father WATKINS George mother Elizabeth (Sanger)
Place of birth ENGLAND, died Moonee Ponds, aged 67.

Death notice and funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206842579

Buried at Fawkner Cemetery:

Plot Number: 142249
GIS Location: FA-COE*K***1179
Area Name: Church Of England

With:
George ADAMS age 74
Service Date 16-5-1952

Mary's service date: 1-5-1943

1st marriage: Reg. year1894 Reg. no5056 Mary Susan Watkins to Wm HOPKINSON

2nd marriage: Reg. year1915 Reg. no1667 Mary Susan Hopkinson to George Adams

Births with father as William, registered as HOPKINSON:

1896 Ellen
1897 Mary Susan
1899 William
1900 Edna
1903 Thomas George
1906 Stephen Arthur
1911 Albert Henry

Birth with no father named:

1915 Kathleen Millicent HOPKINSON

Then: Kathleen Millicent ADAMS   George ADAMS and Mary Susan (Watkins) Reg. year1915 Reg. no3530


The stepson, died Melbourne age 67:
Reg. year1937 Reg. no114 WATKINS Geo Thos father WATKINS  Thos mother Susan (Sanger)   

Obit for George, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56844070

Fawkner cremation: WATKINS George Thomas Fawkner Memorial Park Cremation 4-1-1937   

J.

Thanks J. Wow so Woolf was the stepfather of George and Polly. Thank you! I'll send these on to my friend.

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Australia / Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« on: Saturday 08 July 17 06:57 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: cando on Friday 07 July 17 12:29 BST (UK)
There is a file at PROV - Woolf died intestate and his estate consisted of a passenger ticket to Jaffa and £95 deposited with Thomas Cook in Jerusalem when he died.  His only assets.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54

Cando

Wow. So he never made it to Jerusalem. Perhaps it was a pilgrimage. Thanks Cando, my friend will be intrigued to hear this.

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Australia / Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« on: Saturday 08 July 17 06:54 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: cando on Friday 07 July 17 12:16 BST (UK)
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Sep 1882  Bristol 6a/117
WATKINS Susan Elizabeth
COHEN Wolff

Susan's' first marriage

SANGER Susan Elizabeth 25 years  Father John SANGER
WATKINS Thomas
23 Sep 1869   Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

I'm sure you will find all the items about Woolf and his gambling on TROVE ie if it the same man.

Cando

Thank you Cando. I will look further into this Miss Sanger/Sander. It seems many of my friend's family were prone to remarriage!

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