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Durham / Re: What is a 'Halfway House'?
« on: Friday 05 March 21 03:14 GMT (UK)  »
Oh my goodness I feel so bad,
I didn't even get a notification for these replies!

Thank you all for your time and effort in decoding and deciphering the Halfway House issue. It was a matter of curiosity as the modern connotation immediately sprang to mind upon seeing it!

I have managed to look at all the baptisms for William and Hannah's children except for their first in 1814, Thomas Henry Hope, I didn't manage to find that one. Sarah's mother Mary Ann died really young, aged 18 so I'm not surprised that on the death certificate the son (the informant) didn't know the mother's name. He also didn't know the father's first name, only the surname and occupation.

In August 1827 William and Hannah had another son John Robert, and they were living in Newbottle at that time so they could have been at that 'halfway house' place when those skeletons were found that you mentioned earlier, Gadget.

That map that you posted is brilliant. I zoomed out a bit and found Four Lane Ends, where William and Hannah Hope, along with Thomas Jackson, Sarah Alice Hope, Mary Jane Briggs and James Hope were living in the 1841 Census.

Another thing I couldn't work out was the relationship between Mary Jane Briggs' parents Thomas Briggs and Jane Fouthrop, to the Hope family, as William Hope was a witness to their marriage (as Trish found) and Mary Jane Briggs is with the Hope family in the 1841 Census. Also Trish, I will have a look at FreeREG!

Thank you all for your help, and I'm really sorry I didn't get back to you sooner! I wish the notification system was better :(

EB

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Scotland / Re: Finding a trial after a precognition
« on: Tuesday 02 March 21 23:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Monica and Annie,

Thanks for your time to have a search for these and thanks Monica for having a skim at my blog! I love writing on there!

Our ScotlandsPeople account is managed by my Uncle (he puts the funds on there) so I will run it by him and then have a look at ordering the death certificates of Euphemia and Elisabeth. Really, if it is them, I am a bit surprised that they did not marry, but it's not unheard of. Vaguely, in the Censuses, I remember Euphemia being a servant, but I will have to find that record again. The unknown first name BRAND death record for 1826 I will have to check as well.

That FERGIE/FERGUSON link is somewhere in the Brand family tree, I believe it must be George Brand (my ancestor)'s brother David Brand's wife. Her maiden name was Janet Ferguson and they had a daughter named Janet Spittal Brand.

Thanks for all your help!
EB.

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Scotland / Re: Finding a trial after a precognition
« on: Monday 01 March 21 23:44 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Monica for having a read,

I should have linked my other posts but I see you found them!  ;D

I hadn't realised that son David remarried in 1857, but I will check that marriage out as that would have been after civil registration and possibly give me a bit more info. I had had a bit of trouble tracing the other children of Janet Spittal and David Brand. I believe the youngest, Euphemia, did not marry but I'm yet to find a death record. I'll have to go and have a closer look! All the other births and marriages that I've seen do not have too much info.

I have had a detailed search through the British Newspaper Archives and nothing has come up of note re. David and Janet. Perhaps I should do a search for the siblings as well. There are a few articles there about George and his adventures.

My Uncle and I are pretty much sure that his parents were David and Janet, but we would love that missing link to corroborate all the work we've put in. So far, not even DNA has helped. We've considered doing a Y-DNA test, but it is unsure whether we will actually get any results. It's our last resort.

I will have a look at that death/burial on SP as well!

Thanks so much for these leads, I appreciate it!

EB.


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Scotland / Finding a trial after a precognition
« on: Monday 01 March 21 12:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,

I'm trying to break a brick wall in my paternal line (have been for years) and could possibly have a lead with a carter from Culross, Scotland named David Brand. He could possibly be a father for my convict ancestor George Brand, but so far there is no conclusive evidence.

Aside from that, there is a precognition for a David Brand in 1819 alongside an Alexander Spittal, for housebreaking in the vicinity of Alloa. A copy of this http://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk/nrsonlinecatalogue/details.aspx?reference=AD14%2f19%2f256&st=1&tc=y&tl=n&tn=n&tp=n&k=david+brand&ko=a&r=&ro=s&df=&dt=&di=y was ordered by my Uncle and forwarded to me.  We were notified by a genealogist at Scottish Indexes that it was a Justice of the Peace petition that had been misfiled and was not a High Court record.

I have no idea whether this was a case that went to trial and cannot find any other record of this particular case. The precognition itself did not give off too much information except for details of the crime.

Would like to know if there is somewhere else I could search to find more information about this case, whether it had proceeded to trial or whether simply nothing came of it. I was hoping it'd lead to a breakthrough in my brick wall case but it hasn't so far., which has been a bit disappointing.

Thanks in advance for your advice,
EB.

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Durham / Re: What is a 'Halfway House'?
« on: Wednesday 24 February 21 00:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks so much for that Gadget,
That’s awesome!

EB

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Durham / What is a 'Halfway House'?
« on: Tuesday 23 February 21 23:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I have found an illegitimate baptism for my 3rd great grandmother Sarah Alice Hope in Houghton le Spring, Durham. This was Oct 8th 1837. I'm still waiting on birth cert to arrive from GRO to clear up parents names as on the GRO index her birth is listed as being Sarah Alice Hope Jackson, with Jackson being the surname.

Aside from that, I was intrigued at the baptism record - Sarah Alice's mother was listed as Mary Ann Hope, and her abode listed at 'Halfway House'.

What is a 'Halfway House'? I did a quick google search and there were two possibilities, it being a place of rehab and reform, like the modern connotation, or it simply being an inn midway between two towns.

Which is it likely to be in Durham, 1837?

I would like to clear this up to add a little more context to my ancestor's life.

Thank you,
EB.


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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Re: Elizabeth Scandle, origins of housemaid
« on: Tuesday 09 February 21 00:24 GMT (UK)  »
Okay thank you for that, I will see if I can find those records!

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Re: Elizabeth Scandle, origins of housemaid
« on: Monday 08 February 21 23:54 GMT (UK)  »
I haven't yet, where would I look to find those please?

Thanks for your help!

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Elizabeth Scandle, origins of housemaid
« on: Monday 08 February 21 23:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,

In November 1866, in the Parish of Little Ouseburn, a house servant by the name of Elizabeth Scandle passes away from premature labour and loss of blood after she is taken from her master's house to the local workhouse to receive medical attention. This made the news as it put my ancestor, her master, James Dalton Gowland in the spotlight. He had apparently done wrong by sending her to a doctor instead of calling a doctor to the house, but the coroner's inquest concluded that he had no part in her death.

All that aside, I'm trying to find out a little more about Elizabeth, her life before her premature death. There is one newspaper article, the Yorkshire Gazette 17 Nov 1866 that tells of the circumstances to her death, but not to her previous life. I have ordered her death certificate but it has given me no extra information. I can't find her on Census records at all either.

Unsure where to go from here, or maybe I'm missing something with the Census search.
I would be grateful for your help!

Thanks,
EB.

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