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Australia / Tasmanian Ancestors- not having much luck!
« on: Thursday 11 June 20 01:41 BST (UK)  »
Good morning Rootschatters,

I am in search for an ancestor's parents, who I believe resided in Tasmania, but I am not having any luck!
I am unfamiliar with Tasmanian ancestry databases and from what I can see, there is not much to go on.
I am hoping someone may have a bit more knowledge on how to navigate these resources and point me in the right direction.

Ancestor: Maria KING nee EVERETT
Married James KING on the 8th of April 1839 in Hobart, Tasmania.
Had 4 children in Tasmania, Louisa (1842), William (1843), Emily and Henry John Richard (1845).
Arrived in Port Phillip, NSW in 1846, in which info states she was born in VDL (Van Diemen's Land- Tasmania).
She and her husband had quite a few more children in Victoria.

She died in Melbourne in 1879 aged 54, which gives an est. d.o.b of 1825. The death index on Ancestry lists her parents as a William EVERETT and Maria.

I would like to find out more about where her parents came from and how they arrived in Tasmania, but can't find anything conclusive.

Thanks for your time Rootschatters,

Kildare / FARRELL-KELLY Marriage
« on: Monday 16 December 19 04:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,

I'm looking for a marriage in Kildare in the years approximately 1838-1839 between a Catherine Ann FARRELL and a Thomas KELLY. I believe the couple were married before they both left for India, where Thomas fought for 18 years. So far I've been unable to find record of their marriage, would anyone be able to help?

Thanks in advance,

This website above lists their marriage in India, not Ireland as I thought before. However I can't find record of this marriage either.

London and Middlesex / Re: Christ's Hospital Info please!
« on: Monday 11 November 19 05:23 GMT (UK)  »
You ask why the family went to Australia. Unfortunately you will probably never find out.
A better life? Promised employment? Offers of land?
Families often emigrated in waves like this. The two who remained in England - were they older?  Married?
Have you checked for obituaries for any of the family members? Sometimes they can give details about their origins and emigration.

That's what I was thinking, but unsure whether the Christ's Hospital was an institution for the poor. It just seems as if that's where he was employed and that's where they lodged. The family came to Fremantle in 1852 with the youngest four. However the oldest four stayed in England. What surprised me was that the oldest that stayed in England was 16 upon his parent's departure, and the youngest was just 7. I was unsure how a 16 year old could provide for three other siblings. As well, 10 years later, the oldest ends up in Newgate for embezzlement.


London and Middlesex / Re: Christ's Hospital Info please!
« on: Monday 11 November 19 05:18 GMT (UK)  »
There is quite a bit of information on Christ's Hospital. I just typed in Christ's Hospital, London and found that it opened in 1552 at Newgate in 1552 as a charity school for both boys and girls. It moved to Horsham about 1902.
Worth checking out.

Thanks Jackie,

I'll have a bit of a search for that info!

London and Middlesex / Re: Christ's Hospital Info please!
« on: Monday 11 November 19 03:44 GMT (UK)  »
Can you give details of the family, eg their surname, in case anyone wants to look them up for themselves in the 1851 census.  :)

It doesnít surprise me that the whole family of the breadwinner lived at this institution. It wasnít uncommon that jobs came with accomodation.

More investigation is obviously required to discover specifics of this place, but that is my first thought.

Do you have the family in 1841? What was the fatherís occupation and were they living in similar circumstances?

Thanks Ruskie,

The family are the WELLS family, the head of the household is Robert Newman WELLS and his wife Harriet (nee SMITH).

In 1841 he is living with his wife and three children in St. James Clerkenwell, Middlesex as a messenger? (probably, I can't quite make out the occupation).

Honestly, I'm just wondering what drove this family to Australia, as only 4 of the 8 surviving children of Robert Newman and Harriet went with them. The other 4 remained, with 2 coming to Australia later and 2 staying in England.

I would like to know a bit about this institution to see if there could be a link, ie. was the family struggling?


London and Middlesex / Christ's Hospital Info please!
« on: Monday 11 November 19 03:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

I'm doing some research for a friend and I've come up with a family in the 1851 England Census living in London in an Institution called Christ's Hospital. Due to some births and deaths of the family listed here, I naturally assumed it was an actual hospital. Upon research, apparently it is a schooling institution?
If so, why would an entire family be listed as lodging in the institution? For context, two adults and seven children. The father is listed as a "messenger" in the column that is labelled "position in the institution".
For further info, the family had been living there for around 6 years and would leave a year after the census was taken to settle in Australia.

If anyone has context about this place or reasons as to why a family would be living there, it would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance,

Scotland / Re: Transportation in Scotland
« on: Monday 09 September 19 10:27 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your responses everybody!
 I didn't realise there had been a boat crossing for that long! That's amazing. Honestly, I do need to give them more credit because I had been limiting my search to areas within a few kms of places of birth.
And thank you for that search! I'll look more closely at the details.

One other unrelated question: was it common for families to follow a naming pattern? Should I use the naming pattern to conduct research or not?


Scotland / Transportation in Scotland
« on: Monday 09 September 19 09:25 BST (UK)  »
Hey everyone,

Before the construction of the Forth Bridge in the 1880s, how easy would it have been for a lad looking for work to get from a place such as Culross or Torryburn to Edinburgh? I'm talking about very early 1800s, from about 1790-1810.

My ancestor David Brand married Janet Spittal in 1806. They were contracted in Culross and married in Edinburgh. On the parish record it says David was a servant in New Greyfriars and Janet was from Culross. They moved to Culross and had their children there.

I'm just trying to look at the likelihood of this lad being born in Culross or Torryburn and looking for work in Edinburgh as opposed to him being born in Edinburgh and moving to Culross once he's married.

I can't seem to pinpoint his birth, that's the issue.
Would someone be able to give me a bit of context around transportation in this era and possibly a judgement on how likely this scenario would have been?


Stirlingshire / Re: Don't know where to go from here?
« on: Friday 06 September 19 13:21 BST (UK)  »

Sorry but reading the entry in the NAS Catalogue shows its a precognition of the witnesses in the case against the accused David Brand, & Alexander Spittall , carters of Culross.

PS although the crime is Housebreaking it does not mean that they broke into someones house it may have been a warehouse shop or other storage building. Scots Law classes them all under the definition of a "house"

As weird as it is to say this, that is great news! If they're accused, it bolsters my theory that little bit more. I'd like to think the criminality ran in the family.
Thanks for your research!


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