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Lancashire / Frances Mary Blundell - where is she?
« on: Monday 05 April 21 02:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi there, I am hoping for some assistance in tracking Frances Mary Blundell. I can no longer see the wood for the trees! Here is what I have thus far:
Frances Mary Blundell, daughter of Sarah Blundell (nee Cooper) and William Blundell - DOB 25/1/1852 - Kirkdale, Lancashire.
1861 census - at home with Mum and Dad;1871 census - at home with Mum who is now a widow, both laundresses.
This is where I start to go down a rabbit hole:
1881 census - the only one I can find that seems to match is for a Mary F Rimmer (married) who is a boarder along with a Sarah C Blundell (widow and charwoman). Mary has a child Sarah E. The details for Sarah (apart from the 'c') match. Is Mary F actually my Frances Mary?
I have searched for a marriage for Frances Mary to a Rimmer with no joy. I have searched GRO and can find Sarah Elizabeth as a birth for a Rimmer with mother's maiden name Blundell.
Moving to 1891 census - again I can find a Mary Rimmer (now widowed and Mum has died by this stage) with 3 children - William, Sarah and Peter. All can be found on GRO as Rimmer with mother's maiden name Blundell. No idea where William was in the 1881 census.
I have also found a death record for a Frances Mary Rimmer in 1892.
From 1881 on, have I actually found my Frances Mary Blundell? Did she in fact marry a Rimmer and if so, who was he and why can't I find a marriage record? (I have looked for a previous marriage to see if she married under another name but no joy there either). If this isn't my Frances Mary, where did she go? (I also can't find a death entry for her under this name).
All thoughts and ideas gratefully received! :) TIA

Cheshire / Re: Mousedales and any variation thereof!
« on: Thursday 30 July 20 23:36 BST (UK)  »
Thanks garstonite - much appreciated. Thanks CaroleW. I hadn't seen that feature so will check  ;D

Cheshire / Mousedales and any variation thereof!
« on: Thursday 30 July 20 08:11 BST (UK)  »
Anyone researching Mousedales from around Frodsham? I'm particularly interested in John Mousedale (DOB c. 1751) and his children. I have a potential marriage to Mary Percivall.
TIA :)

Lancashire / Re: Vagrant Passes - from Liverpool to Ireland
« on: Saturday 18 July 20 05:40 BST (UK)  »
Thank you CD. Apologies for the delay in acknowledging.

I'm looking forward to following up on the links you provided. The context you have provided is very helpful and exactly what I needed to spur me on to do more reading. Unfortunately I spend too little time considering my research within the 'bigger picture' and therefore miss important clues or explanations. Reading through the information you provided  has  made me feel quite a different connection with the ancestors I'm researching.

Thanks again for your time in replying and the additional reading heads up. I'm off to enjoy the links now.


Lancashire / Re: Vagrant Passes - from Liverpool to Ireland
« on: Sunday 05 July 20 00:14 BST (UK)  »
Thanks CD  :)

I wasn't aware many Irish came in for the harvests and then returned to Ireland. May I ask some questions about this?
Did they come as family units or, for example, would a group of men from a local area come over together?
Would they live on or near the farm being harvested?
Is it reasonable to assume (!) those living in court housing were not seasonal workers but permanent residents?
If the census occurred while they were over from Ireland as seasonal workers, would they have been included (even though I'm guessing that April in the northern hemisphere may be not harvest time)?

I appreciate I have gone off on a tangent here but the seasonal worker idea may have relevance for these and other ancestors.


Lancashire / Vagrant Passes - from Liverpool to Ireland
« on: Sunday 28 June 20 02:46 BST (UK)  »
I have found a couple of entries in the record set 'Lancashire, England, Vagrant Passes, 1801-1835' (accessed through Ancestry) that are of interest to me (potential multiple great-grandie). I've read the record set description and have some additional questions.

Were there conditions associated with the vagrant pass i.e. once sent back to Ireland, could a person and their family return to Liverpool and would they need to meet certain criteria?

Could a person and their family be sent back to Ireland twice? I have found two records that may refer to the same Michael Hannon - 1827 and 1832. Would this incur additional penalties?

If the person and their family were not permitted/encouraged to return to Liverpool might they come via the backdoor? In this case, through Wales? Michael's daughter Jane says in two census' that she is from Bangor, Wales. While there may lots of explanations for this, I did wonder if this could fit a furtive return.

The 1827 record notes Michael had a wife and child but only 1 "passed" while the 1832 record shows a wife and two children and 4 were "passed". Does "passed" refer to actual traveller numbers or something else completely? Were the names of wives/children listed elsewhere (I can't see them near Michael's name)? If wives/children could be left behind, under what circumstances might this occur given that, presumably, the breadwinner was being removed?

For context. I believe my Michael Hannon may have died in Liverpool. His daughter certainly lived, married and died in Lancashire (Sankey and then Liverpool).

Appreciate any help. TIA.

Kent / Re: Best contender for marriage to William Paine of Ringwould late 1600s
« on: Thursday 18 June 20 05:38 BST (UK)  »
Thanks goldie61. I've just had a look at FindMyPast and Kent wills. You have to apply for the documents so I'll keep that in mind. I don't think this particular William Payne/Paine is represented there but there may be another of interest.

Kent / Re: Best contender for marriage to William Paine of Ringwould late 1600s
« on: Thursday 18 June 20 02:50 BST (UK)  »
Thanks rayb. Appreciate you checking the registers and good to know they are not appearing in Westbere. The Payne/Paine/Pain spelling varies depending on my day;) I've so many in my tree I've given up. However, I have gone back and changed the spelling for William to be consistent with the record.

Kent / Best contender for marriage to William Paine of Ringwould late 1600s
« on: Tuesday 16 June 20 07:39 BST (UK)  »
Help please in deciding the best contender for marriage to William Paine of Ringwould in the late 1600s. I have William marrying a Katherine Castle on 2 April 1686 in Ripple. Interestingly the marriage for Ripple also seems to have happened at Westbere which I find curious - any thoughts on why there would be two distinct entries for the same couple on the same date?
While William was probably about 23 when he married (estimated from a baptismal date of August 1663), the Katherine I currently have (a Ringwould contender) was a tender 13 (baptismal date 1673). I have read that the age of consent in the 1600s was 12 for a girl but that it was rare for young marriages to occur.

So in a quest for other Katherine Castles I have come up with two others who lived within the greater region of Ringwould:
Catherin Castle - Lydden who would have been about 15 at marriage
Katherine Castle - Folkestone who would have been about 20 at marriage.

There are other Katherine/Catherine Castles but as they were a bit further afield in Kent I've eliminated them. Should they be included?

If I look at possible children for William and apply naming conventions (appreciate that is only a general guide), then Katherine from Ringwould and Catherin from Lydden are the stronger possibilities.

Is the Westbere entry a key here? What else should I be considering? What are the flaws in my thinking? Appreciate your help. TIA

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