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The Common Room / Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« on: Monday 26 May 14 17:10 BST (UK)  »
In 1851 Percy Passage was enumerated in district 4. There were 17 districts for Middlesex, St Pancras, Tottenham Court. I checked all the enumerators notes to see if there was "another side" to Percy Passage  ...Nothing.

Stephen Street where Ann Fox lived was district 2 as was 23-28 Rathbone Place and 38-50 UPPER Rathbone Place

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The Common Room / Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« on: Monday 26 May 14 16:43 BST (UK)  »
No such luck with the Enumerator's notes;

1841 (added: no numbers mentioned , Stephen Bland snr. (a cutler) and jnr were residents)
St Pancras
Charlotte St
Russell Place
Fitzroy St
Percy Passage
Bedford Passage
North St
Pitt St

1851 (added: numbers 4, 5 and 8 mentioned, Stephen Bland jnr. ( a cutler) at #8)
St Pancras
Charlotte St, Fitzroy Square
Russell St,     "
Fitzroy St,     "
North St,       "
Pitt St,          "
Percy Passage, "
Bedford Passage, "

I have read in a newspaper article (1863) that there were also Wine cellars (owned by a wine dealer of Charlotte Street) underneath Percy Chapel. The vaults/cellars opened up from Charlotte Street and Upper Rathbone Place.

Another article dated 11 September 1838:
PERCY CHAPEL to be sold, a copy hold estate ....
it states that the sale consists of:
* Percy Chapel capable of accommodating 1200 persons !!!!
* Vaults underneath
* 7 adjoining tenements
* A ground rent arising from a school and house let to the Russell School of Industry
* The Chapel and vaults may be purchased separately

Deb



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The Common Room / Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« on: Monday 26 May 14 03:48 BST (UK)  »
Another thought......

In 1851 I found people living at 4, 5 and 8 Percy Passage.

At #4 we had Samuel (cheesemonger) and Thomas Knight (Tailor) with possibly their younger brother, Charles and in another room, Samuel ?, a shoemaker.

#5 Margaret Discomb, a servant

#8 Stephen Bland, a cutler

The next "street" enumerated is Bedford Passage. Prior to PP is Pitt Street... I can't spot either on maps.

I am wondering if the shops were downstairs and people roomed upstairs as I find Stephen Bland still in PP in 1841 along with other families. Unfortunately there are no house numbers.

Joseph Sears, 70 shoemaker
//
Maria Ridgeway, 42, china dealer
//
George Basham, 20, smith
Harriet do. 23
Eliza do. 3 months
//
George Goulden, 51, tailor
Hannah do. 56
//
Stephen Bland 39, working(?) cutler
Deborah do. 36
Stephen  do. 14
John 12
Charles 7
Sarah 4
Susannah 7 months
Harriet 17

Next place enumerated is Bedford Passage.

deb






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The Common Room / Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« on: Monday 26 May 14 02:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ruskie,

I imagine that little shops were in the building to the left of the chapel and were entered by the passage. If he was in a directory I would imagine that the bookstore would have to be in a building as opposed to a stall.

If you click on the street view here this is the Charlotte Street entrance to PP ...you can look down the passage to the other side which exits into Rathbone Street (the bricked side). I actually took a stroll to the left, down Charlotte Street and wound around into Rathbone St where you can look down the passage and see the bricked in windows.

link to google maps, Percy Passage, London: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=percy+passage+london&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x48761b2c7798ed01:0xc1607bd59d67214e,Percy+Passage,+Fitzrovia,+London+W1T+1RQ,+UK&gl=us&ei=SJuCU57CIq-2sATZkIHgBg&sqi=2&ved=0CCgQ8gEwAA


Drykid , if you do go to PP maybe you'll be able to give us a better idea of where the doors and windows were.

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The Common Room / Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« on: Sunday 25 May 14 19:00 BST (UK)  »
Hi avm

I was just looking at images of the interior of the Charlotte Street Hotel and wishing I had known about it when I was last in London (2010). It looks wonderful.

I bet you wish you had known of PP and Nat when you spent your happy evenings there!  ;D

Need a bit of time to read your link.

Thanks

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The Common Room / Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« on: Sunday 25 May 14 18:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi Drykid  :)

Thanks for that.

I just went back to google streetview. The entrance to PP from Rathbone St is bricked whereas the entrance from Charlotte Street is painted and seems to have what looks to be old entrances facing what was the chapel.

Oscar, Bar and Restaurant, Charlotte Street Hotel with Percy Passage to the left

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The Common Room / Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« on: Saturday 24 May 14 18:54 BST (UK)  »
 ;D

From Ruskie:
Ann Fox:
Birthday 9 Oct 1801 born where ? Queen St /Green St, Middx according to the 1851 census. Look at image again? Enhance image to try to see it more clearly?


Looking at the birth place of Ann Fox in 1851 I'm beginning to think that it's Queen Street.

Two lines up someone is born Middlesex, St Georges. The capital "G" is totally different than what is written for Ann POB.

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The Common Room / Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« on: Saturday 24 May 14 17:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi nanny jan,

I'm so embarrassed ... I don't think I was thinking straight LOL ...I'm blushing as I sit here!  :-[

Thanks

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The Common Room / Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« on: Saturday 24 May 14 15:56 BST (UK)  »
Nat jnr. and family in 1891, 47 Charlotte Street, ISLINGTON  :)

added ... I wish I could find her LOL

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